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Will Nanny controls become mandatory ??

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  1. F2003-GA

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    With high profile cases and manufactures increasing under pressure will future sports cars come with mandatory controls - Maybe taking some of the fun away ?

    Paul Walker's father sues Porsche
     
  2. Gran Drewismo

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    Lots of nanny control are already in place for reasons that aren't always performance related. The most recent being mandatory back up cameras.
     
  3. garak

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    The world is going to driverless cars anyway, so that's the ultimate nanny I guess.
     
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  5. F2003-GA

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    But the long term future of sports cars may be in jeopardy especially if Autonomous cars are mandated ?
     
  6. Jana

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    I am still sad about Paul Walker's death. He was my favorite crush actor and a cool guy. But suing over his death is wrong. It is not the manufacturer's fault that he died. It was a tragedy, but some will always look for any reason to make a quick buck.
     
  7. TheMayor

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    Is this question a joke?
     
  8. TheMayor

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    My understanding from the police report was that the tires were possibly to blame and also poor maintenance or modifications.

    I think this is a difficult case to win given the car was speeding. Unless the car actually caused the crash, Porsche should be off the hook. But given that its a high profile case and this car is known to be a widowmaker, it's not cut and dried.

    Remember Jay Leno spun one of these at 180 MPH and avoided hitting the wall. I'm sure NBC had a heart attack that day.
     
  9. tbakowsky

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    The nanny's are already in place. All it would take would be a quick dealer level ecu flash to change the ecu's into full nanny mode.

    Anything 2010 and up are jam packed full of programs that are just waiting to be turned on.
     
  10. F2003-GA

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    American Jury system sides on sympathy more than it does on facts
    The more money the manufactures loose the more it affects car design.
     
  11. F2003-GA

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    No it's not a joke Now we can switch off nanny controls in the future you might not be able plus through GPS
    they could also restrict us to speed limits where would that leave sports cars ?
     
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    I'm not that jaded. I think a case can be made that the driver caused the death, not the car. If that were the case, every car crash in America would be a lawsuit against the manufacturer. I think most people understand this.

    What it will come down to is negligence on the part of Porsche, not that the car crashed. They have to show negligence and that the driver of the car wasn't the reason for the crash or the poor maintenance of the car, or the reason they were trapped or the fire was do to poor design. THIS I think is where they may be vulnerable. Not all cars burst into flames when hitting a pole.

    Anything can happen but I still think a jury can look at this logically and not just stick it to Porsche because "they can".
     
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    It's a joke because the answer is "DUH" == like in "of course".
     
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    Your absolutely correct the driver caused the crash and Porsche should not be blamed.
    But my faith in the jury system is very weak :(
     
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    :)
     
  16. TheMayor

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    Not every trial is like OJ, thank heavens!

    Remember Porsche has some of the best lawyers and technical experts in the world. They will fight tooth and nail.
     
  17. F2003-GA

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    Back in 1991 one of my employees died in a car wreck.He was wearing his lap belt but whip lashed and snapped his neck.
    His lawyers argued to the jury that Chrysler should have had a shoulder restrain although that point lap belts had been around for decades.
    They jury came back with 25 million dollar reward to the widow
     
  18. TheMayor

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    You're comparing Chrysler in 1991 to Porsche in 2016? :)
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    i haven't ever seen a logical jury in California in my life, i'm from here i'm 48.


    i've got lucky a few times in cars, every time it was my fault. some cars get loose faster than others, but that's still on the driver.
     
  20. Bullfighter

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    Probably true. Technologies like lane departure warnings are part of the recipe for full automation.

    If speed is regulated, the reality is any modern car can accelerate, stop, and sustain whatever speed makes sense in an automated environment.

    I think track days will eventually be the venue of choice for anyone looking to fling a car around under driver control.

    But that's a way off. What will the world be like with no speed traps and speeding tickets?
     
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    They made a car that powerful without drivers' aids available at the time? OMG why would they do that !?! Tires last only how long? But on my civic they last over 65,000 miles!?!
     
  22. TheMayor

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    Like red light cameras.
     
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    It is very simple. If a safety technology exists or when it becomes available and a manufacturer does not offer it, it will be seen as their liability for not having done so if someone is injured or killed. That will quickly evolve into being standard instead of optional and then there is the government playing their part in looking out for us all.

    The only thing that really remains to be seen is how much of it will be required to be retrofitted to older cars the way seat belts were.
     
  24. opencollector

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    I believe nannies are already mandatory under FMVSS 126, which requires that all passenger cars from 2012 on be equipped with electronic stability control.
     
  25. bonalonio

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    Is there a reason he needed to let some guy drive his machine? That other guy should not have even been in the car. He lost control of his car, even before the keys were in the ignition.
     

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