930 Turbo Carrera

true for (almost) every other collectible car. The deeper the DNA is in racing, the more desirable. And the earlier the better, even without racing. See the single "flying-mirror" Testarossa.

So clearly this would apply to the 3.0 930.

BUT - all three years are so awesome, for their differences, and for the things they have in common. For example the design.

Design wise the whale tail is the closest to the RSR & 934 tail, nowhere near the design of the 3.3 tea tray, which to me looks almost stumpy.

Just my 5 cents, never drove a 75, but own a 77 and drove a 89.

 

As a counter-example, proving the market is not following rules: The Lancia Delta Integrale.

Probably the only true-race-DNA car I know (6 year consecutive constructor's rally champion), where the later production cars like the EVO I - III are more desirable / expensive, except for those with race history.

 

Time will tell; we've seen a lot more added for a lot less IMO.

 

This may reverse as these cars get older.

 

There are NO rules to the collector theme.
Some hardcore collectors only accept non restored cars, some will accept highly restored.
Some place build numbers in the sequence as a important factor where as others simply prefer the most refined of the 1st generation.
Different strokes for different folks. That's a true representation of the collectors market.
If your paying a premium for a 75 because you like low build numbers in the production line that's your fetish and as car buffs we all have them. Buying a 75 thinking it's part of something more special than a 76 or 77 then you are greatly miss informed.

I've heard and read all sorts of crazy coments that suggest the early 75 cars are a light weight RS like car even though homoligation rules didn't require it. RS was a purpose built light weight car using techniques that clearly demonstrate that purpose. The lack of a brake booster and or other antiquated systems such as lack of roof zincing hardly qualify a purpose light weight vehicle.
A 76 is different to a 77 as is a 77 to a 75 making them all unique factory prepared 1st generation 3.0 let 930 turbos. Let's keep it real.

 

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I am totally aware that the 75 was never conceived to be anything more RS-like than the 76 or 77.
But now 40 years later and all things equal, it is an intriguing fact that it was quite a bit lighter and and more minimalistic off the production line.
I find it more attractive exactly because it lacks galvanising, electric mirror and brake booster.
I definitely believe those lesser specs qualify the 75 as a more focused sports car, even though it wasn't originally intended as such.
I also favour the lesser specs of the 76 over the 77.......all other things equal of course.

 

Exactly my point. Your opinion is a 75 is more of a focused car, I would replace the word focused with antiquated. Different strokes for different folks.

 

According to factory sources, Porsche was unsure they would be able to sell 400 production Turbos to meet homologation requirements (much like the story of the Carrera RS 2.7). You get a sense of this uncharted territory in Porsche’s Sep ’74 Paris Salon introduction memo. Porsche was encouraging potential customers to check out the Turbos at their display – highly unlikely the company knew the Turbo would be an easy sell in the middle of an oil crisis at 65,800 German marks. However, after the orders came in early 1975, the marketing department knew sales were strong and the Turbo was a hit. But by this time, plans were already in motion for the 934 for Group 4 that required 400 production Turbos and this would make way for the 935 for the 1976 season.

New rules for 1976 ushered in what was commonly referred to as a silhouette formula. Porsche could not wait 24 months for 400 production cars since the 1976 racing season started in Jan ’76 which is why the 934 was a necessary step to homologate the 935.

930 Turbos were never designed as stripped down homologation specials since the FIA rules changed for the 1976 racing season.

For the 1977 season, Porsche had the required production number for Group 3 (1000 cars). FIA Nr. 3076 (Group 3) was used from the 1977 until 1982 and also included the 3.3 liter Turbo. The 935 was always homologated by the production 930 Turbo (934 for 1976) except for the Baby 935 that was homologated by the 911 SC.

 

Great information - thanks, Rich.

 

what was the baby 935?

 

935/2 had a 5-speed gearbox...

935/2 "BABY" Photo Gallery by Bernd Buschen at pbase.com

 

Nice colors, do like that last photo ( Albert Blue )?. I have similar color 77 930 which is a favorite.

 

The 935/2 is a great story!

Phil

 

76 does not have boosted brakes like the 75, correct?

 

Correct!

 

Hello together, as there is an intensive discussion about homologation cars among the 930, I have a general question: what is meant with homologation cars?

the reason why I ask is, whenever I went to the registration office to register one of my 930, there was no document (type approval) available. Hence the 930 has no type number assigned.

The reason for this is, that every 930 (I am not sure about 1977 models) is single homologated...a practice that makes sense for small volumes as a type approval process is costly and makes only sense if produced in higher volumes. (which the 930 was not)

This is at least the information that I have for those cars in Germany. For the US or Japan this may be different...I am not sure. May be someone knows about this.

I am also not sure about the later model like the 1976 and 1977 for ROW.

As a conclusion, 930 seem to be all single homologation cars or only the 1975 ones in case 1976 and 1977 got a type approval.

Why should there be 1976 and 1977 "homologation" cars in case there was a type approval done.

In general, homologation cars shall not differ from the later ones...the whole purpose of homologation is, that the following cars doesn't need to be homologated, as terry are the same (at least concerning the items that need to be homologated as engine, tranny etc).

Do I have the wrong understanding?

Cheers, cal

 

77 Right hand drive doesn't have boosted brakes.

 

There were not really homologation papers for individual cars. Today, you can get a set of homologation documents for you car for vintage racing events from DMSB, but they are new docs and not archived copies from the 1970s.

 

You are right, the Turbo 3.0 had no road homologation in Germany. Problem was the rear spoiler, which was seen as a potential danger by the homologation authority (Kraftfahrtbundesamt). Other Porsche 911 had a general type approval (ABE, Allgemeine Betriebserlaubnis), but the Turbo 3.0 did not. Same issue with the Carrera RS. And the Carrera 2.7 (74-76), which hat an "ABE", but without spoiler.

But the discussion was about motorsport homologation, which required a specific number of "identical" cars made in a certain time frame. 400 cars in two years was required for Group 4. Cars homologated in Group 1 to 4 could be raced in Group 5 with more modifications.

So the "homologation cars" are the 400+ cars with the 930/50 engine made in MY 75 and the first half of MY 76, until December 75. After getting the homologation papers, the 930 could race in the 1976 season. Trom December 75 on Porsche used a modified engine, called 930/52 with aux air pump and some mods to the K-Jetronik.

 

Aaaaahhh, that explains it....thanx.

 

Hi, is there a way to find out with Porsche who was the first owner of a 930 or which concession sold it ?
Thanks

 

Hello
Can somebody advise me is this is the correct stabilizer for a 76"?
Do not have a reference as the car came whit a "upgrade" stabilizer.
Can not find the clear info,if i look on the parts list it looks the same.
The size is 18 mm,it was sold to me as RS spec fitting also to a 76" turbo as wel.
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No, that is the stabilizer for a 1974/75 Carrera 2.7 and some of the 1974-1977 911. The Turbo 3.0 stabilizer has an offset in the middle section not to get in contact with the gearbox carrier. It is the same for all MY 75-77 Turbos.

 

Thx,ok so some wrong spend money..
Might you have a photo of a correct one?