The FF II front looks like the current Maserati Granturismo
Yes that road map is a little TOO ambitious I don't personally think many of those future Ferrari's are gonna come as soon as stated.The Cali II,F12 Face lift and Dino won't be coming till later and why would the 488 have a face lift ? it's already a face lift of the 458 ?
More important than the pictures (I do not think that these are already binding) are a few statements in the text where I believe that they have an appropriate truthfulness. I try to translate the most important ones. New architecture: Marchionne initialized a program to increase efficiency. In this regard an essential component represents a new modular sportscar-achitecture, which applies for all future models (except for the carbon fiber based hyper cars like LaFerrari). This innovative aluminum spaceframe matrix (FMA) will make his debut in 2017 with the second generation of California. What is new with the FMA? It is the load-paths driven construction method, the much stiffer joining technology and (and this is the sensation) the wide range of application: from the front engine-V12 to the mid-engine-V6, the new architecture-layout covers the entire future Ferrari product range. This not only saves costs, but also up to 200 kg depending on the model. Even sportier edge: Ferrari should become even sportier, more pointed and more selective. In the nearest future we will see more models with the characteristics of a Scuderia, Challenge or GTO. This sharpening of character will be accompanied by a more progressive design, which will be even more inspired by motorsports. California II: the first "new generation model" will be the next California. The car will be lower and lighter. Presumably there will be two engines available, the 3.9-liter V8 tt and a new 2.9-liter V6 tt (with approx. 600hp, maybe with 120 degrees cylinder angle for a deeper center of gravity). Dino: the new V6 tt will be installed also in the Dino, which will use the architecture of the 488 successor. Main characteristics: a 120mm shorter wheelbase, very short overhangs, an especially flat roof and a super clean design without any spoilers. One speaks of two performance levels, 450hp and 600hp. F12 II: also in the future with a V12 engine WITHOUT turbocharging, maybe in addition with a V8 hybrid driving unit. Main characteristics: more sports car than GT, more dynamic, more racetracks atmosphere, more compact and lighter. FF II: (after the next facelift available significantly cheaper with a V8 engine...) this car will change most. Marchionne has decided to completely reinvent this car, it shall become a very extraordinary GT, perhaps only with V8 and gullwing doors. So thats it out oft he gossip factory.
I could see a brand new FF coming in say 2020. Perhaps a slightly smaller car using the V8 TT that could be priced more at Calafornia levels. That would be probably be a good seller. But for me personally i'd still keep my V12 FF.
On the one hand it would be a shame for the heritage of v12 4 seaters to disappear. On the other it would make the FF v12 last of the breed, so U'd have to keep mine forever...
Not sure I understand that roadmap, and not sure why they call the 488 replacement the 488 facelift, as the 488 is the facelift of the 458 and the 488 should be a new platform. Wouldn't this make more sense, as far as main models go not counting any special models, with all of them being debuted at Geneva? 2016 FF"M" 2017 F12 "M" 2018 Dino 2019 Cali T replacement 2020 488 Replacement 2021 FF Replacement 2022 F12 Replacement Then the special models at Frankfurt and Paris like this. 2016 F12 TdF Aperta, ? 2017 Cali T "30", Frankfurt 2018 488 GTB VS, Paris 2019 488 Spider VS, Frankfurt 2020 F12 M VS, ?
I don't think so ... the car has an integrity which includes the shape and the V12. The slightly more sloped back end looks really dumb to me, as it loses the FUNCTION. Have you all who want to change the car ever been in the back seat or loaded it up in the hatch? Beautiful car. Integrity.
Whatever the critics say or write the FF is an indulgence for those among us who want the perfect car. If I wanted a non descript hump back Panamera look a like. I would buy one, same with the F12.......smashing car but bloody useless if you have to go to Sicily every few months carrying bits and bobs. Why do those who don't own one (probably because they don't want one) keep on about changing it in one way or another. It is a great looking car that works very well doing what it was designed to do........take people like me on continental jollys. The facelift is designed to re-energise sales not because the current model is flawed design wise
I think the first picture looks ok with the revised roofline, but the second just makes an already long car look even longer. We'll see soon enough what it's really like but I'm not sure us existing owners have much to worry about.
Thanks for the update Daniel - Looks like Ferrari are expanding in the right direction.Future line up is looking good.I do hope they do a 2+2 V8TT at That would make a great DD The success Bentley have had with their V-8 Continental may be a persuasive factor for Ferrari to put a V-8TT in there 2+2 as well - IMO
Roadmap optimistic, if nothing changes, 488 scuderia not before 2018/2019, f12 replacement 2017/2018, generally 2 years after special edition tdf, exactly like 599 gto 2010 and f12 2012. Cali t is 2014 so California replacement is to be 2018. Ff replacement 2018 cause ff M is at Geneva 2016. Same game for all the cars. Ferraris now are 4 years of base plus 2 of special edition until the next new model. But maybe plans will be changed
Thank you Daniel for making the effort and time to post. Fascinating predictions. Time will tell if they happen.
The FFm can only be an improvement on what already is an awesome car with so many positives and hardly any negatives - the 4WS, new infotainment, and boost in engine output....hence referring to it as a "keeper" vs the current FF
I remember jc on top gear comparing original ff vs Bentley. felt the Bentleys traditional awd system was superior. any current owners have opinions on that?
I had a GT Speed when they came out in '09 - the awd system is similar, if not the same as Audi Quatro system. As long as you are careful to not let the FF slip into rear wheel drive only (5th++)it's much tighter in awd than the Bentley. That aside the GT Speed was (presumably still is - don't care actually) everything but tight, more like boat (even after having an MTM suspension lowering module) and had a lot of lag too
