Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

You rebuild your Enzo engine only with original parts?

 

I think the real trump that Porsche holds is batteries. I don't think anyone has mentioned this but imagine 5 years down the line when batteries become half their weight....

 

Or how about the same weight but more powerful batteries similar to what Tesla is doing. Increased range in E mode and 400 hp from the E motors. The thing will be untouchable. The updates are going to just keep coming on the 918. Porsche is going to learn so much from their Mission E project with E motors and batteries and they'll transfer that to 918 updates.

 

I think power is not a problem, look at LaFerrari it struggles to put all the power down. I think the only aspect in which the Porsche is lacking is the nimble feeling due to all the weight that it is lugging. This is literally the only complaint I have heard of the 918 either from reviewers or prospective owners who passed on it. If Porsche can lower another 100 odd kgs that will be a big deal.

 

I agree, but I'd put my money on more power increases/E mode range enhancements before any weight savings from lighter batteries. But eventually it'll likely get all three.

Interestingly, we never hear anything about the P1 or LaFerrari getting any updates but I'm sure they've got them. Anyone on here have a P1 or LaF that can answer the update question? Have you seen noticeable improvements if so?

 

Can anyone describe the 918 updates? Are they available at any p dealer? Free?
Thanks

 

I wouldn't mind knowing that myself as well....

From what I know they are free and you are required to go to the P dealer to have your car updated. The most recent update increased the power output from the rear motors I believe.

 

My 918 is looked after by the factory in Stuttgart. There is no power update for the 918. And there never was one. The last update was to ad a bracket to a electric cable which theoretically could rub against the carbon fiber wall at the back of the car. Also no Trofeo type tire on the cards.

The last LF update was to recalibrate the tire pressure control system and change a part in the head rest which could cause a squeaking noise.

Most updates and software niggles are with the P1. But it's all harmless stuff.


All in all the cars do what they are made for. Driven to give endless pleasure!

 

While I'd like to see updates to the 918(the overall fastest of the three hypercars) to see what the platform is ultimately capable of...I don't see Porsche(or F or McL for that matter) spending more on R&D for a car that is already sold-out. Unfortunately, the manufacturers have already
moved onto their next latest and greatest.

 

So all this talk of upgrades ive been reading about for months has just been nonsense. Cant trust anyone

 

I think, you didn't understand Bigthree right.
918 didn't received power upgrades in the recent months, as many ppl speculated.
Before the start of deliveries or in the first few months it was optimized several times...

 

ahh, that's different.

what was specifically done before delivery?

 

Huh, I've heard from numerous owners that the e-motors were set up conservatively when the car was released and through testing they've been able unleash more power from them. Even an owner on this board stated something to the effect of, his car was running 5.0 seconds (a second better than when the car was released) to 60 mph in E-mode and Porsche told him that a just released update should increase power to the rear. Making the car more tail happy (easier turn in) and further decreasing that time.

And I can see a good reason Porsche would want to update the cars. The owners of these cars are very important to Porsche. they'd want to keep them happy.

 

Not correct, zero increase in power on the recent upgrade,, or any other points set out above......

 

Thanks for the correction all who own one.

 

Not to beat a dead horse here but I found the post where a member, Whoopsy, who owns a 918 stated the following:

"This is not the only forum I have said I prefer driving my RS over my 918, and last weekend at Rennsport Reunion the Porsche brass there also heard about me trumping the RS over the 918.

They kind of have an answer, this week Porsche has just rolled out an update for the 918, which boosted the rear e-motor output and make the car a bit more 'tail happy'. Before the event we told Porsche that we had recorded a e-mode only 0-60mph time at 5.1 seconds on a slightly uphill run, we were told after the update we will be even more satisfied. I suspect updated cars will do that time in under 5 seconds."

So that sort of contradicts what Apollo and BigThree are saying. I'm NOT calling anyone out for any posts about this, I'm just trying to clarify for my own brain I guess. Wish I was lucky enough to have been able to own a 918 so I wouldn't have to ask such questions.

 

I love the fact Porsche keep on working with customer feedback to improve their product already out there and delivered. Very Germanic and very unitalian.

 

The performance upgrades primarily increased electric motor performance and were done after many of the magazine road tests, but mostly prior to customer car deliveries. Also, note that the quoted combined petrol+electric horsepower has remained at 887 PS despite customer cars measuring 930 - 940 PS. Perhaps to avoid the expense of redoing road legal homologation/certification.


A rough time line for those ready to geek out...

May 2013 - Porsche announces the production version of the 918 Spyder
Porsche's quoted performance:
Front electric motor decouples at 146 mph
Nordschleife time of 7:14 (achieved in Sep 2012)
2.8 sec to 62 mph
7.0 sec to 62 mph in electric mode.
7.9 sec to 124 mph
23.0 sec to 186 mph (22.0 for Weissach?)


November 2013 - Porsche announces final tuning measures for the 918 Spyder
Porsche's quoted performance:
Front electric motor decouples at 165 mph
Nordschleife time of 6:57 (achieved in Sep 2013)
2.6 sec to 62 mph
6.1 sec to 62 mph in electric mode
7.2 sec to 124 mph
19.9 sec to 186 mph


Fall/Autumn 2015 - Customer car performance from testing a 2015 production car
Front electric motor decouples at ~175 mph (estimated from acceleration data log)
Nordschleife - not tested

My test data (customer car):
2.2 sec to 60 mph
5.1 sec to 60 mph in electric mode
6.8 sec to 124 mph

Another customer car (not my data):
2.3 sec to 60 mph
5.0 sec to 60 mph in electric mode
6.9 sec to 124 mph
18.4 sec to 186 mph

 

Thank you man! Great info. So significantly quicker than Porsche's claimed times but not likely to continue to improve as it's unlikely Porsche will keep updating customer cars power output? Is this the consensus?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZctCodzytDs

 

I dont get what happened. Did laf hit gt3 or just scrape front on curb? Running stop signes too? Hope police did their job. Aholes giving exotic cars bad rep

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFMgwbDIEfs

 

oh no, not this again...discussed at length in other threads...lets not beat a dead horse....

 

The Time differences shown here are within the tolerances that different road surfaces and ambient temperatures will bring. Not proof of more HP.

The front electric motor decouples at 265 Kmh.

Porsche engines having more HP than is stated is nothing new. It was not purposely intended to give the customers cars more hp. We are talking about less than 5% difference.

Porsche is not MCL who did software updates with power increases with the MP 4 12C.

The one thing I have heard is that as battery technology improves we may ultimately 5 to 6 years down the road get a lighter stronger battery pack.

 

long before customer cars were delivered, i shared will this thread some info that i came across while visiting with my local dealer...it was an 'internal' data log with performance/test results. the numbers that raised my eyebrows were the acceleration figures. 0-60 was 2.3 sec, 0-100 was under 5, 1/4 mile was 9.8 sec. EVERYONE here, especially the McLaren fanboys went off their rockers calling me a liar, that i was spreading BS because the hopeless 918 was supposed to be, by far, the heaviest being 500lbs over P1, way under-powered, and therefore would be the slowest by a wide margin vs the P1 and LaF... in straight line and around race tracks. Myself a engineering, technology geek, Porsche fan and huge supporter of 918 from day one, and 1 super lucky soon to be owner were the only ones saying..." those numbers are for real...just wait, you will be shocked, underestimate Porsche at your own peril...". 918 is everything and then some. Porsche has done an incredible job with a sensational engineering work of art. as battery and systems integration tech improves, so will the 918. Just an incredible machine with insane performance that will get insane beyond insane.