Test Drove the 488 Today. Cancelled my Order, Sticking to my 458

meh.

Can't get used to modern turbo engine noise. For some reason they sound **** compared to old school turbo engines.

Huayra, GTR, Mclarens, and 488s...Compare that to:

EB110, XJ220, F40s

 

Old turbo engines sounded just as badly. Perhaps a little louder as noise is wasted energy and they don't want this nowadays. Would like to hear a stock F40 next to a stock 488 in order to see which is louder.

 

Thanks for the video.


Cars:

2013 Ferrari 458 Spider (Daily Driver)

Ordered 2016 Evora 400

 

Better. But the loss of high rev pitch just kills me.

 

At least from that video, it sounds identical to a 12C. This is just how turbo cars sound.

 

It sounds like the car only has 6,000 rpm cut-off limiter. And is it save to have fire in the back, all the way?

 

....I don't remember anyone complaining about the sound of the F40 when it arrived on the scene...

 

if 488 would weight 1100 kilos and looks like F40 most people would not complain about crappy sound of 488

 

I've heard similar reviews

 

458 is the car to keep, for me. 488 is still a ferrari but just an other type of personality.

But I've found sth else interesting what was done by somebody to a 458:
Prior-Design?
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Flames!!!!

 

Well Chaps, read most of the thread, very interesting...
Whilst a symphonic engine is a lovely accompaniment to any driving expierience, I do love 'turbo torque' also.
It allows one to exploit far more the chassis of cars like these to a far greater degree. At the end of the day it's a tough choice, and for me I guess it would depend on what kind of mood I was in as to which car I would use that day....symphonic sound or turbo rush?!

Here's a review on the 288 GTB and GTB spider:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlvMRTQ6-X0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_rIoUc-pYo

Kinds regards Bell

 

If Ferrari only builds 499 units and for selected customer, there will be no complain. But then more than half will be offered back at 50% premium.

 

if turbo car would be 100-150 kilos lighter than NA that would be some compensation for lack of glorious sound

 

and yet it's faster than an F40.....

 

there were over 1300 F40's.....

 

this is some kind of advantage? Porsche, Lambo, Mclaren, Nissan all of them are faster than F40

 

Want it to weigh less? So wait for 'turbo' Speciale 488GTB ;-), but how much lighter I can't say. More power and torque of the regular 488 already is a compensation for a less pleasing sound, but anyways the sound isn't bad. Just the car is another pair of shoes, comparing to the 458.

 

The only downside of the F40 is actually the turbo. Ever wonder why all it's successors have been using NA?

 

Because they weren't actual homologation specials? I could be wrong, but I don't recall ever seeing an F50, Enzo or LaF in regular competition.

 

The F40 wasn't a homologation special either.

 

IMO we're discussing the wrong disadvantage of turbo engines. Owning an FF and being very familiar with F12, the 458 and Speciale's exhaust note is far less sweet and satisfying. My 12C's exhaust was not so different in entertainment quality to the V8 n/a Ferraris. Bemoaning the loss of the 458's exhaust note against the 488 is like complaining that the sequel to a merely above-average film is not as good as the original.

For me the issue is throttle response. Yes, you lose a little with turbo sound (but not that much really - my 12C was only a little behind Speciale for sound, more gruff and industrial but entertaining with noise on the overrun etc.) You also get compensated with massive torque mid range, which is very useful on the road because you often have to take corners below the speed that is possible to allow for what may be around the corner that you can't see. Turbo torque helps you back up to speed quicker once visibility returns. So far so good - lose a bit, gain a bit.

However, purity of throttle response is so much of what I am beginning to enjoy about fast road and track driving that I am loathe to give it up. Its importance in giving you immediate control over and 'connection' with the car cannot be underestimated and thus is the main reason manufacturers have preferred n/a.

I have ordered a 488. It will not replace my Speciale but my 12C, which is a great car, has been sold, mainly for this reason. I have not yet driven a 488 (but I will) and hope that the 488's party trick is as described; namely that Ferrari has artificially sacrificed mid range torque in favour of throttle response and has 90% achieved that.

 

Best post in this thread by a country mile! Couldn't agree more with you especially on the first paragraph not that the others are any less agreeable! Looking forward to your post drive review of the 488 whenever u get to drive it. The world needs a more balanced review of the 488.

 

Eight tenths of a second response time compared to seven tenths. I doubt anyone this side of Lewis Hamilton is going to notice.

 

As per Chris Harris:

"Ferrari claims, a delay between pushing the pedal and power arriving at the rear tyres of 0.8sec. It has measured the best force-fed competitor in the sector at 2.0sec. The 458 was measured at 0.7sec.
They claim that it has eradicated turbo-lag. And yes, like you I’ve grimaced at that empty claim many times before.

Other than response, turbocharging’s other great crime is destroying intake noise. Recirculating those gasses turns beautiful music into fevered whooshing, and Ferrari has gone to great lengths – quite literally in the case of the intakes – to create a decent sound. And it has succeeded. All of this stuff is subjective, but this is recognisibly a flat-lane cranked V8. Its intake is less harsh than the old car’s, and its exhaust valving less rigid – the 458 use to do that terrible 3000rpm silence-to-bwwaaaaaaarrrpp even on tiny throttle openings. In my opinion, the 488 makes a better noise than a 458, and it is underscored by a delicious wheeshing of turbo under full-load."