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  1. minikub

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    Dear All,

    I'm trying to figure out the chronology of the following two lines. I tried to search on Wikipedia but am not sure if it's correct. May I ask if the following list is complete? Thank you and have a great weekend.

    250GTO
    288GTO
    F40
    F50
    Enzo
    Laferrari


    246
    308
    328
    348
    355
    360
    430
    458
    488
     
  2. ragtop1

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    #2 ragtop1, Dec 20, 2015
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    The order is correct. However there are a lot of models missing in that line up.
    Boxer, 400,412,Testarossa,456, to name a few. Unless the second line is for v8 cars only. Then the 246 should not be there.
     
  3. Rosso328

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    If the idea is to list out a series of cars whose 'DNA' so to speak progressed to the next model, I wouldn't group the 288 where you have it. It shares practically nothing with the 250, instead being an evolution of the 208 / 308. Same for the F40, come to think of it.
     
  4. of2worlds

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    For the first list I would drop the 250 GTO as all the other cars on your list have the engine mounted behind the driver. Then add the 250 LM to list #1 as it has the motor behind the driver.
    For list #2 as noted drop the six cylinder 246 and replace it with the 208 Turbo. Also the 308 GT 4 could be included if you are choosing V8 models for this list. It's main characteristics being a body by Bertone instead of Pininfarina and 4 seats.

    You could then do a third list with the 1953 250 MM - 1957 250 tdf - 250 GT - 250 GTO - 275 GTB comp and 365 GTB/4 comp.
     
  5. GrayTA

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    It would help to know a bit more about the direction you are going, but from what it appears the above advice is correct.

    The 1st list includes the SuperFerraris - which should remove the 250GTO.

    The 2nd list looks to include the "junior" Ferraris which might include the 246 except that it has the six cylinder engine - there is lineage there if thats what you are looking for. You might include the 206 which was its predecessor though.



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  6. 375+

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    I like your third list!
     
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  8. minikub

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    Thank you very much, guys! I found this forum to be truly a place for genuine people with real knowledge and willingness to help each other.

    Actually I am starting a model car collection and would like to do it in chronological order.

    It seems there are many different models and is difficult for me to collect them all......
    May I ask if the following are the only "Super Ferraris" ever made? Thanks again!

    288GTO
    F40
    F50
    Enzo
    Laferrari
     
  9. BladeMD

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    #9 BladeMD, Dec 20, 2015
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    According to the book cited above which is published by Ferrari, you are correct, those are the only 5 "super cars"
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  10. spirot

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    The supercars are 288, F-40, F-50, Enzo, La Ferrari (includes all FXX models as well)

    as for the older cars - its more relevant to break them down into engine types/ sizes:

    155, 212,250, 375, 330,365, - those are the most general types of V-12 engines made for road cars
    only two one off V-12 Rear engine cars made - the Treposto 365GTB

    for the non V-12: 206 Dino V6 - 246 Dino V-6 ... 308GT4 V-8 - 308 V-8, Mondial V-8, 328 -V8, 348 V8, 355-V8, 360 & 430 V-8 458 & 488 V-8 California V-8
     
  11. southnc

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    Tre Posti 365P
     
  12. El Wayne

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    "Older" V-12 road cars:

    Grand touring cars
    166
    195
    212
    250
    250 GT
    275
    330
    365

    Flagship "America/Superamerica/Superfast" series cars
    340
    342
    375
    410
    400
    500
    365 California

    See the chart at the bottom of this page. I think you'll find it helpful.
     
  13. southnc

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    This is very informative - thanks for posting the link.
     
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  15. minikub

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    Thank you everyone for your input. I am actually trying to build a mini Ferrari "museum" and "Supercars" is one of the lines I'm collecting.

    I checked Wiki and somehow they put 250GTO as one of the "Supercars". I understand the engine and engine position is different from the rest of the list (i.e. 288GTO, F40, F50, Enzo and Laferrari). However, can 250GTO be also considered as one of the "supercars" because of its value and performance built in its time?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_250_GTO
    *please scroll down to the bottom and see the timeline

    Basically Ferrari keeps improving its engine in every unit and if we limit ourselves to the engine, then even F40 and F50 are two completely different cars?

    Would love to hear your opinion. Thanks a lot.
     
  16. cloverleaf

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    Honestly I do not completely agree with that chart, especially regarding the GTO and GT/L placement.

    The GTO was the road/race berlinetta concept brought to its extremes—and thus should be on its own, perhaps together with the various competizione berlinettas.
    The GT/L quite clearly (well, in my view at least) succeded the SWB Lusso, not the PF Coupé, and is a key link in the road-going berlinetta lineage before the 275 GTB.

    As I see it the 250 GT PF Coupé on the other hand was replaced by the GT/E, giving birth to the 2+2 line. The GTC models then filled back the void between the 2+2 and the berlinettas.

    Do I have it wrong?
     
  17. minikub

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    Thanks Cloverleaf for your explanation. But people consider 288GTO as the first Supercar. It is also a GTO and then F40 is considered as its successor. I do not understand why 250GTO cannot be considered as one of the "Supercars", considering it is a road car created with extreme performance at its time and is also one of the most expensive Ferraris ever made.
     
  18. El Wayne

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    I put that chart together years ago, and I'm not sure I would even include the GTO in the road car family tree if I were to do it again today. It was an evolution of the SWB Competizione, and while capable of dual-use, it's not really a road car at all. Notice I omitted the LM for the same reason.

    I included the GTO at the time because I felt it bridged the gap between the SWB Berlinettas and the 275 GTB, both chronologically and stylistically. Even so, I now agree that it could be left off of this tree entirely.

    I disagree with your ideas on the PF Coupe/Lusso/GTE, however. While the Lusso borrowed some styling elements from the SWB (and shared the "Lusso" designation with the road going SWBs), it was a very different car, with a focus on style and comfort, as opposed to performance--a true grand touring coupe, if you will. I think it fits perfectly in between the PF Coupe and later GTC models. As for the GTE, it was the beginning of something new: a line of 2+2 coupes that continues through today.
     
  19. BoxerCrazy

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    this blue color, what do they call it?

    thanks
     
  20. spirot

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    The 250 GTO is a race car - was built as a race car and sold as one. that you could also drive it on the street is ancillary to its purpose. most race cars up to the 250LM were some what dual purpose. But even then most people would not want to spend a long time in a GTO or TR as they were not very comfortable for street use.... Cross country driving in 1963 yes, stop and go traffic in Rome or Paris or NYC - no.

    when the GTO was made the term Supercar did not exist... but I guess you could call it that...

    Jesse Pourets book on the GTO is excellent and he talks about using one as a "Street car" fun but not exactly a great idea.
     
  21. El Wayne

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    This car is Blu NART. The color in that photo is off for whatever reason. I was there, and in person, it looked like it does in this video:


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lXfWKDn468[/ame]
     

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