All I'll request is that some images be judiciously placed within this thread in the near future! Meanwhile my favorite image from CAR magazine's October 2012 issue entitled "Gods" is this one below Image Unavailable, Please Login
Excellent point. In fact other contemporaries at the time (288 GTO, 959, F40) were all turbo charged.
Speaking of the McLaren, when designing the F1, Gordon Murray insisted that the engine for this car be naturally aspirated to increase reliability and driver control. He felt that turbochargers and superchargers increased power but increased complexity and decreased reliability as well as introduced an additional aspect of latency and loss of feedback. The ability of the driver to maintain maximum control of the engine is thus compromised. Speaks further to Mark's comment.
It's interesting to see the value of the McLaren F1 as compared to a DD. Considering the amount of posters sold and lust of millions of kids in the 80's it just doesn't add up . Looking from purely an investment standpoint it would seem there will be some incredible appreciation in the future . It would remind me of how guys like Buffett used to be able to scan through stocks before the world had all of the information that we have today. He would look for good "value" . Seems to me that the DD is one heck of a value at today's pricing . Time will tell.
Good points all round. This has given me the incentive to go back to Ingegnere Luigi Marmirolli and find out the thinking behind the FIA Homologation of the DD engine at the end of 1987. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Amazing how fast this thread is going. 15 years ago when all the variants of the CT were about the same, there was simply no question which one, for me, was the most desirable. I think the DOT modifications necessary to later US import, hurt the reputation of the DD bc most cars people saw or felt were either not as asthetic or have the performance of the DD, which Valentino thought was the ultimate. This has held the car values back. But the countach demographic is just starting to get into (and has yet even to reached) full earning potential. When this happens I predict you will see a huge excelleration in demand outstripping supply. It will not be long bf you see 1M DD. And considering this CAR article that I agree with, 1M is not that much in this company. That being said I only own 1 of the three at the moment and I'd prefer the market fall back into the toilet when a 250GTO was 4M, an F1 950k, and the CT 150k. Sadly I think those days are gone.
I could not agree more. Having restored a few Countach at this point and having driven every variation of the species I can verify that the DD is the best. I seriously regret not keeping one for myself. The DD will certainly run away from other variants as the cream always rises to to top. Look at the different variants of the Ferrari 275 GTB... Or even the 308 for that matter.
One thing I have learned about sports car is that they become stars in the hearts & minds of collectors at different times and at different rates of speed. Sometimes there is no rhyme or reason why a variant suddenly takes off, but most often it is for reasons of realization often fueled by the automotive press or specialists whose knowledge runs deep and whose perception is clear. A discovery by historians about something important in the car's development or production adds to this, and can cause collectors who have grown up with these iconic cars to see them with added respect and reach for their checkbooks. I'll tell you a story - not 6 or 7 years ago I was offered a McLaren F1 in exchange for my 288 GTO and some cash, a deal I could have made. However, I didn't have enough regard for the F1 and I thought the GTO was ascendant so I stuck with it. My GTO did ascend, well into 7-figures. But how was I to know that 6 years later the F1 would could be an 8-figure car? If you had told me of that possibility when the deal was offered to me, I'd have laughed. I guess the moral of the story is expect the unexpected where desire & newly-affluent collectors combine in appreciation of a particular car. And never listen to me, I'm clueless about where values are going! Image Unavailable, Please Login
You are definitely qualified to espouse that opinion because you have significant experience with all the variants. For my part, I have always espoused that all the variants are different and that I appreciate them all in different ways. That said, there is no doubt that the DD has become highly desirable, as the faithful continue to learn about the cars. To keep it honest, we can measure that in terms of value, and simply say the DD is the most powerful variant of the Countach. I think what you are talking about that some in other threads do not not understand is that driving a DD is an automotive kick in the pants. Its a drivers car, raw & powerful, and even if slightly more so, that slightly makes a difference in feel on the road. The other thing I have not heard anyone say is, nothing sounds like a Downdraft, with that glorious induction 'whistle' pre-overrun. Here below is what our esteemed Dott. Stefano Pasini thought of the Downdraft he tested when the car was new. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Triple Bianco 88.5 DD @ the 50th, note wiper parking position. Another car known to have @ 100,000 on the clock Image Unavailable, Please Login
Yes, a recent parallel thread has surfaced trying to suggest that USA spec FI cars have similar power/performance to a DD. I (as the messenger of the truth) was shot on sight. I have no axe to grind and also appreciate EVERY Countach as a particular masterpiece in it's own right, and feel fortunate to count myself as a Countach owner (not a DD) (my personal car is a sidedraught LP 500 S). Based upon previously published knowledge (and lack of experience with the real thing) I would have agreed with the DD naysayers. The simple truth (I speak from my personal experience of having dialed in and driven a handful of DDs) is that they are properly fast (yes, even by today's standards) cars that will blow the bloody doors off of any other Countach variant. That said, I can also say that I COMPLETELY agree with you that other variants have their own unique merits. Countach?... The're all cool...however, the DD is the last word in Countach performance.
Hi Joe, I reckon it's my QV having a little freshen-up at Washington Coachworks back in summer 2014. Worked well too.. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I read that thread and responded to a couple posts. As my dad used to say: don't ask a question unless you're ready to accept the truth in response. Meanwhile I can't believe the CBS 60 Minutes program is nigh-on 30 years old? Image Unavailable, Please Login
Fantastic. I do like this image of your car, in fact I think its one of a series of great automotive images of recent times. Image Unavailable, Please Login
John's fantastic and much-enjoyed (twice restored!) DD, sporting P7s. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Speaking of P7s, stay tuned, there will be an announcement sometime in the near future regarding the new P7, and we'll start a new thread dedicated to it. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Downdraft & a stack of Marchesi & Co chassis at Sant Agata, summer of 1986 Image Unavailable, Please Login
With regards to performance, wasn't the 25th powered by basically the same engine as the QV? Maybe heavier with the better comfort specs I guess. And what about the infamous straight line speed of the early LP400 cars?
The Harrison DD in New Zealand in the early days, pic by Paul Clemence. I used to think it was the o0nly DD in NZ, but I do believe there is another... Image Unavailable, Please Login
Good questions but, really, this has all been discussed Ad Nauseum in the broader Countach thread, and to some degree in the 25th Anniversario thread, both of which I started. Also, as we can see in other threads, the generalization of "basically the same" is always met by people who know better who will say "not the same". The infamous straight-line speed of the LP400 is courtesy of its obvious pure & slimline bodywork.