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  1. CornersWell

    CornersWell F1 Rookie

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  2. ARTNNYC

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    Wow that car is wicked!
     
  3. rob lay

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    He wasn't even precise on the apexes. :)

    Love the car and great interview with Braun. Interesting point that in interview they talked about how superior and how far ahead they were. Field supposedly had 200 HP at best, but they went over 350 HP and Braun said fastest of competitors were 2:02. If you look at the results Scott just went 1:58.5, but 2nd and 3rd weren't far off for lap times 2:00.1 and 2:01.1 with supposedly 60% the HP and 10% of the budget.
     
  4. GuyIncognito

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    FWIW that was Colin Braun driving, not ST.
     
  5. rob lay

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    well Colin is certainly fast!
     
  6. kverges

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    I attended that runoffs is well, and the term we lonely spec racer drivers used for level five was "clubbing baby seals."
     
  7. WCH

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    This again? Is this the Scott Tucker car? That was quite possibly the most chicken project in the history of motorsports. Regret not having had the opportunity to ask Scotty, when I was racing, about his time in Leavenworth. How's L5 doing this year?
     
  8. GuyIncognito

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    L5 hasn't raced for two years (last race for them was the 2014 Daytona 24, and even that was largely funded by other drivers)
     
  9. Gran Drewismo

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    They're doing great, their web site no longer exists and they have all but disappeared.
     
  10. rob lay

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    from what I gather legally Scott is mostly free and clear now after the government agreement? he had a $20 mm fine and gave up like $250 mm in accounts receivables that he was unlikely to collect much of anyway. however, isn't he able to still continue business and he will do it under the new federal guidelines, I doubt we've heard the last of Scott Tucker and racing!
     
  11. WCH

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    ST could be hoarding millions of dollars for an epic assault on the brutally competitive world of T-Ball! He could adopt all the best kids, clone them, and then join them to build a world championship team.

    Sorry, not impressed by this tool.
     
  12. Entropy

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    They actually won the race that year (the controversial penalty and retraction).

    The drivers were all pros, and paid. Their effort at Daytona that year was top notch and well staffed, far from being a pay-driver Pro-Am setup.

    Aside from the screwed up officiating (Daytona and Sebring, as you'll recall), the last 30mins of that Daytona 24 was epic.
     
  13. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Regardless of what people think of the payday loan king he did have an awesome team. What some call "clubbing baby seals" is right on the mark but the silliness of the DSR effort is sort of like :lemons racing crapcans" silly but doing it at serious SCCA Runoffs. The spoof really is funny unless you are one of the top 3 who could have won the DSR Championship if ST did not show up. Good thing ST won because if he lost he would be the laughing stock of the entire Amateur and Pro racing world. So really he took a big risk to an already questionable reputation. I think he deserves some kudos for laying it all out there like that.
     
  14. BigTex

    BigTex Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Gosh...then the suicide was for NOTHING!

    He should have gutted it on out........
     
  15. GuyIncognito

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    yes, and that was a great race.

    Sweedler is a true Am (albeit an extremely good one), but otherwise they gamed the driver ratings system pretty well that year ;)
     
  16. Entropy

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    that's a whole 'nother thread....the FIA ranking system is 1) a joke and 2) far from a level playing field. FWIW stay tuned closely for news on that front

    For Daytona 2014, if you look at drive time and lap times, Sweedler and Tucker did well, but Bell/Segal/per Guidi won that race
     
  17. GuyIncognito

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    agreed, and agreed.

    of course Flying Lizard had Pumpelly and Winkelhock ;)
     
  18. Heat Seeker WS6

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  19. CornersWell

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    They've had that available for a while, now. VERY high asking price, IMO, beginning with a 6, IIRC.

    Along with the 599XX.

    And, there are two ex-Level5 cars that have also been on ebay for a while (one of the LMP2 HPDs and a Crawford-built 430Challenge).

    CW
     
  20. Heat Seeker WS6

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    We got there right before closing so we didn't get too much info on those 2.
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  21. GuyIncognito

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    if that was the race winning car (#555) their asking price might make more sense ;)

    cool stuff though. think of the track days you could win with those toys :D
     
  22. Heat Seeker WS6

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    lol @ the joke of winning novice or intermediate class HPDE rungroups or better yet.... a lunchtime track touring session.
     
  23. the_stig

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    U.S. agency seeks $1.3 bln in racecar driver's payday lending case | Reuters

    U.S. agency seeks $1.3 bln in racecar driver's payday lending case

    Jan 21 U.S. regulators have asked a federal judge in Nevada to order a professional racecar driver and various entities he and his late brother controlled to pay more than $1.32 billion for engaging in a scheme to deceive payday lending customers.

    The Federal Trade Commission on Wednesday filed papers in federal court in Las Vegas seeking to force Scott Tucker and the estate of his deceased brother Blaine Tucker to pay up for allegedly running a deceptive online payday lending enterprise.

    The FTC, which previously obtained $25.5 million in settlements with several payday lending companies in the case including AMG Services Inc, said the sum equals the $1.32 billion consumers paid beyond the disclosed cost of their loans.

    The regulator said the scheme enabled Scott Tucker, 53, to receive at least $419.8 million and pay for luxury vehicles, private charter and jet flights, and for an $8 million residence in Aspen, Colorado.

    Another $67.6 million was transferred to his racing team, Level 5 Motorsports, for "sponsorship" fees, the FTC said.

    The regulator added that a complete tally of Tucker's payments was not possible as he invoked the U.S. Constitution's Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination.

    Payday lenders provide small extensions of credit that borrowers agree to repay in a short time, such as when they next receive a paycheck.

    While these companies say they help strapped-for-cash consumers, critics say their loans leave borrowers with lots of debt due to high interest rates, fees and loan rollovers.

    Eighteen states and the District of Columbia prohibit payday lending, according to the advocacy group Consumer Federation of America.

    Tucker's lawyers have previously said he was "a - if not the - target" of a related criminal investigation by Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara's office.

    A lawyer for the Tuckers did not respond to requests for comment on Thursday. In court papers, they said the FTC was seeking "to extract massive monetary relief without any statutory authority for doing so."

    In 2012, the FTC sued the Tuckers and companies including Overland Park, Kansas-based AMG, which it said like other online payday lenders had affiliated itself with a Native American tribe to claim sovereign immunity from state laws.

    In fact, the FTC said, AMG, which said it was owned by the Miami Tribe of Oklahoma, and related companies were controlled by the Tuckers, whose payday lending enterprise materially misstated the cost of consumers' loans.

    The case is Federal Trade Commission v. AMG Services Inc, et al, U.S. District Court, District of Nevada, No. 12-00536. (Reporting by Nate Raymond in New York; Editing by Will Dunham)
     
  24. GuyIncognito

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    $67mm to Level5 and I don't doubt one cent of it.

    amazing.
     
  25. the_stig

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    Best of everything and backups for their backups. A two-story garage-mahal at Le Mans and almost F1 levels of gear even in SCCA and Ferrari Challenge.
    No, not doubting it at all.
     

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