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  1. Martin308GTB

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    Though I have a more pragmatic view of things regarding tools, William's picture makes me lust for restoring my jack. Would be interesting to know the paint code.
    Any ideas?

    Best
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  2. robertgarven

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    If any one is interested Ill trade a perfect later style spark plug wrench for an early one that is perfect. I know they are rarer and will take that into consideration
     
  3. nerofer

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    Yes; and the 14mm combination wrench among these.

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  4. piezo

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    #204 piezo, Jan 22, 2016
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    William, it would be better to comment if there are higher resolution pictures and close ups. Hate to be critical here, but there are something rather obvious about your tools in that photo. The screwdrivers really look similar to the aftermarket Swisstools one that had been posted here before but not of our familiar handle shapes. The wrenches are missing the important 14/14mm combination wrench. The window crank has bending degrees much greater than the 90 degrees of the usual Z-shaped ones I have seen and the turning handle looks a bit too short as well. The pliers looks good but upon detailed comparison I think it's much shorter than 190mm, which is almost without exception for that type. And lastly the spark plug tool looks like having a small diameter crown similar to those for 328... May be its just the blurry picture...

    I'm sorry that I have been habitual in looking at the tools in great detail after many years of trying to figure out what's correct.

    So is this a new pouch you got? Last one was with gray/white inlayer but this one is black.

    My lowly 2 cents.
     
  5. 2281GT

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    I don't know, if this comment is allowed here, but ...

    I've discussed with Bruno (nerofer), that in my new 328 toolkit the combination wrench (14/14) and the small (18) sparkplug tool is missing. Good pictures of them would help me to find the correct tool for that kit. The combination wrench has to be KRAVM.

    So ... if anyone has something to offer, please PM me.

    Sorry, Steven, for spamming your thread.
     
  6. nerofer

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    #206 nerofer, Jan 22, 2016
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    I don't think it is spamming the thread as long as we discuss tools...

    Here enclosed you have a picture of a spark plug tool (with a pair of pliers...) correct for 12mm plugs (= 18mm inside the crown) , so peculiar to 3,2 litre engines.
    They are REALLY difficult to distinguish at first glance from the larger ones (that is, the ones for 14mm plugs, which are 21mm inside the crown) because the difference is not very noticeable.

    And a picture of a full set of Kravm wrenches on the "Chrom Vanadium Kravm" side (the other side is "Ferrari") notice that these are the "dull finish" type, not the "shiny finish". The "combination wrench" 14/14mm that works with the spark plug tool is of course the fourth from left.

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  7. 2281GT

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    Thank you, Bruno !
     
  8. piezo

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    It's not spam as long as it's about tools just like Bruno said. I think this thread channeled all questions related to the tools and jack kits together instead of many new threads.
     
  9. nerofer

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    Well, actually I must apologize to all readers of this thread for having been really short-sighted last December.
    I sold a really, really nice tool roll for a late QV, almost the same day I finished completing it; I had bought it with tools missing, just to have fun at completing it.
    Had I have been not so dumb, I should have thought how useful it would be to have a picture of the spark plug tool for the 3 litre engine, for 14mm plugs (21 mm inside crown) side-by-side with the one for the 3,2 litre engine, for 12mm plugs (18mm inside crown) (taking one from the tool roll of one of my cars for the pic).
    I didn’t thought about this, and this is a shame as it would have illustrated how difficult it could be to distinguish one from the other at first sight (so be careful when you buy one to be sure of what you will get, because these are usually quite expensive).
    Can’t believe how little grey cells I have; beats me.

    Rgds
     
  10. Albert-LP

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  11. flashman

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    Steven,
    Again, thank you for the input. Like I stated at the beginning, I probably have never really looked at my tool kit in all the years I have owned my car. The only reason I did was I got interested in this thread. As far as I can tell, the spark plug tool has a red or orange rubber insert in it. My kit has 2 spare spark plugs in it and the tool fits them. I don't know about the screw drivers as I found them in the box of parts along with my emission control parts. as far as the pouch, when I cleaned everything up, I dyed the inlayer black because I could not get the inside clean. As for the window crank, it looks like all the others I have seen, but I am no expert. I will probably let the next owner worry about this as I probably will be selling my car shortly due to health issues. Again, thank you for the time you have spent on this.
    WilliamR
     
  12. BigTex

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    Albert,

    i think they all do have one, but the later cars at some point go to a different end of engagement, a Helical gear, IIRC.

    This would be an "early crank" but I don;t know the year that they changed, perhaps the parts diagrams would show....
     
  13. BigTex

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    Darn, I sold my Jack Kit TOO cheap!
    But it was to a friend....LOL!
     
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    Unreal.....aside from the fact my family name is Craig, on the one side, I also kept my Ferraris thru a divorce, and also thru a pretty major career shift after 24.5 years with one firm!!

    So, in your case. I would only sell the tools under financial duress (I paid the rent one month with a tool roll liquidation!!), as you have complete Books and Tools and as you see that really does add about $5K value to the car, in equity.

    Theoritically, of course.....

    But thanks to nerofer's data and recent hard sales info, I think you now "know what you have"....as an aside in FCA judging mileage has NO bearing on the results at all, a 100K miles car could still score 100. As values climb, I am sure more and more of them, will.
     
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    "Wallet spanking"...that was JRVs term, for extensive Ferrari repairs...

    As with most things, he knew his stuff..
    RIP JR......
     
  16. piezo

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    You really cannot predict where the price will go and they seem to be rising still. Friendly price is never too cheap :)

    Even the incomplete tool kits are becoming rare on eBay now. Those left unsold are usually either very expensive, with some incorrect tools but still priced at above average or the bundled ones with jack kits. I guess everyone is looking for a few missing pieces instead of the bundle with everything.
     
  17. godabitibi

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    And this is probably all because of this thread :D
     
  18. Albert-LP

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    Thanks, Alan. It will cost me more in shipping and taxes than what I gave you. You can now ship it to Mr. Raymond Little at AR North America.

    Thank you very much.

    Ciao

    Alberto
     
  19. piezo

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    Possibly! ;)
     
  20. enzo52

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    #220 enzo52, Jan 24, 2016
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    Toolkit bag dimensions...

    As I'm in holiday and a little turning my thumbs.
    I wanted to make me a toolkit bag for my mondial. As they are almost the same as for 308, I just need the dimensions for the bag. Could you mesure this for me, please !
    Need the dimension in lenght, the overlap size and size for the lap where the tools are put in.
    Or meaby just confirming the sizes on that picture. Thanks !

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  21. piezo

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    Can't really see the figures clearly in your two photos. Perhaps separate them? One thing I'm sure is that they vary quite a bit may be by a mm to a couple at least, that will add up to the total error you will end up with. More error I noticed for the stud position among the few I got.

    Perhaps Alberto can give you the numbers before I do as I think he has them already.

    More detailed requests each day about the tools :)
     
  22. 2281GT

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    Am I wrong, or do only the 328 tool kits include the battery strap ?
    At the "tool Kit for 308" Thread there was short discussion about it, but I did not see any conclusion ?

    My opinion was, that only very late US 308 QV from 1985 (and 328 of course) have had the battery strap, but I could be wrong.

    Any suggestions ?

    @Alberto, what about your 208 turbo GTB/GTS (1983) tool kits ? Do they have the battery strap ?
     
  23. nerofer

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    Markus,

    Just to be clear on the matter: the 328 battery strap is not in the tool roll of course, it is in the jack bag...

    Rgds
     
  24. 2281GT

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    Yes, of course, Bruno.
     
  25. nerofer

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    My old eyes may not be up to the task, but the tool roll on your picture seems wrong to me...it is mismatched to the pliers.

    The pliers are in fact pushed nose-down into the pocket that is intended for...the spark plug tool!
    Perhaps this is because those pliers are the "large model", that is the one for QVs and 328, and that they cannot be put into the pocket that is intended for them on the correct tool roll, which has a large pocket for large pliers (second from right)...

    Whereas the tool roll on the picture is actually a tool roll for 308"i", which instead of a single large pocket for pliers, has two small one for the handles. The large pliers for the QV/328 cannot be pushed in the two small pockets for the small pliers of the "i" roll, therefore they have been put into the spark plug tool pocket!

    There is also a yellow transparent handle from a screwdriver, which has nothing to do here.

    My advice would be first to be sure of the correct tool roll for your car before beginning to cut and thread a reproduction. Be sure to select the right tool roll, and the right tools. One thing I am sure of, the one on your picture is mismatched with the model of pliers and has one screwdriver too many.

    Rgds
     

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