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Need a picture of the cluster harness or "wire diagram"

Discussion in '348/355' started by kenneyd, Jan 25, 2016.

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  1. kenneyd

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    #1 kenneyd, Jan 25, 2016
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    I bought all the badges as well as the oil pressure/water temp gauge to address all the cosmetics differences related to the F1 to gated conversion.

    I installed the gauge and the water temp reading works fine. I ran a temp jumper wire for the oil pressure from the oil pressure gauge by the radio to the new oil pressure combo but no luck getting the new oil pressure gauge working, it does how ever peg to the right when the key is turned on.


    Any chance it receives a different kind of signal?
    There are 7 slots for pins on the OEM F1 water temp gauge:
    1 empty, 2 red/yel, 3 grey/wht, 4 green/wht, 5 empty, 6 black, 7 grey.

    I was hoping to get a picture of the harness from a gated car just like the one i posted of mine.
    Thanks!


    (and on a side note my airbag light came on in the process, never touched anything related to the airbags.... grrr. Dealer only option there?)
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  2. Qavion

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    #2 Qavion, Jan 26, 2016
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    Strange, the standard 1994 F355 Euro-spec wiring diagram shows all 7 pins in use.

    Sorry, no photos, but looking at the standard wiring diagrams, I built up the following list...

    1) Grey/Black (Oil Pressure signal ("COM"/needle). A variable resistance)
    2) Yellow/Red (backlighting for both instruments (positive 12v))
    3) Grey/White (signal for water overtemp light)
    4) Green/White (power for overtemp and oil pressure lights, I think)
    5) Grey/Yellow (signal for oil pressure warning light)
    6) Black (common earth for backlighting and water temperature)
    7) Grey (water temperature signal ("COM"/needle), a variable resistance)

    Does anyone know if the F355 oil pressure transmitter (P/N 135940) sends two different signals (pressure and warning signal)? Or does it just send pressure and the instrument computes if the pressure is bad. This might explain why two of the pins are not used on this composite instrument.

    Thanks

    Cheers
    Ian.
     
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    #3 kenneyd, Jan 26, 2016
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    Are you sure #5 isnt green/wht?
    I attached a picture of the two wires coming out the back of my oil pressure gauge by the clock, it has a grey/black and green/wht.
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    #4 Qavion, Jan 26, 2016
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    Ugh... Sorry, I didn't realise the F1 was so different from the Euro gated manual. I have the clock, fuel gauge and oil temperature grouped together near the radio on the Euro-spec gated car. The oil pressure is in the main instrument binnacle on the gated car. When you said "by the radio", I thought perhaps you had to get power to the main instrument binnacle via the radio (due to main instrument binnacle wiring differences).

    Are your intentions to leave the instruments where they originally were on your F1?

    At this point in time, I'm not sure if we should go back to the basics, or look for someone who has done this modification before. There doesn't seem to be too many ways you can hook up the gauge in your picture, so, as you say, there may be gauge operating differences (perhaps different scaling or it may even need a third wire as shown in the diagrams).

    I'm not sure if photos of the wiring on a manual car would help (unless the actual wiring is different from the wiring schematics)

    Cheers
    Ian.



    P.S. For what it is worth, for the oil temp/fuel quantity/clock, the 1994 manuals show a 6 pin plug:

    1) Orange (clock)
    2) Yellow/Red (backlighting for all 3 instruments)
    3) black (common return)
    4) violet (or purple) Fuel quantity
    5) brown (Oil temperature)
    6) green/white (Oil temperature power)
     
  5. phrogs

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    Your airbag light is now on because the harness was unpluged (for the bulb) and you turned on the key.
     
  6. kenneyd

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    Thanks for the info. I was able to figure out essentially step one of the process (lol) from your info.
    I ran a wire from the grey/black wire at the oil pressure gauge at the radio area to the new gauge in the cluster and found out it works fine...a long as I unhook out from the first gauge. In other words, you cannot run two gauges from one signal.

    The next thing, my F1 car has the low oil pressure warning light all ready in the cluster, negating the need I suppose to have the warning light on the gauge. Question: does the factory gated cars have a oil warning light on both the gauge and on the left side of the cluster?

    Next step is to add the oil temp light using the info from the popular how-to in this forum and the swap should be complete. Until then I have a inoperable, duplicate oil pressure above the radio
     
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    Whoops, so the dealer had to reset that? Since there are no dealers in Jacksonville fl, do most shops have the needed tool?
     
  8. Qavion

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    Excellent. Well done. :D

    Makes sense. The indications are resistance based and you have two indicators in parallel, affecting the resistance.

    I don't see any (rectangular) warning annunciators on my car for oil, but I do see an unused annunciator on the left side (bottom light). Perhaps this is the one used on the F1?
    Perhaps the warning light circuitry is not as critical as the dial circuitry and you can have both lights working (but don't quote me on that :D )

    Anyway, sounds like you're making progress!

    Cheers
    Ian.
     

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