Unofficial 308 tool kit specifications

You folks have got me looking at my tool kit. (I can appreciate how you all are having fun with this tookkit stuff, but as an onlooker it can seem like you bought yourselves fancy toolkits that just happened to come with an exotic car as an incidental item!)

I have a legitimate toolkit question:

My 1983 toolkit appears to have never been used and is completely intact. However, the 1983 QV Parts Catalog Tav 44 shows the two spark plugs in the jack kit to be in cardboard boxes and mine are just bare spark plugs. Did spark plugs sometimes come without the boxes?

 

I only know the card-celophanium box for the champion plugs. See picture attached (totaly wrong type of plugs but correct type of box)
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Brian,

I would keep a "legitimate distance" with the parts catalogue...it has been proved time and again that some brand new OEM tool kits were not 100% as described by the parts catalogue. Better ask the first owners of cars with a serial close to your own what they did receive with their car when new.

As for your first sentence...as for me, it is actually the reverse: I bought two 328s, that I still have, which both that came to me without any tool kit whatsoever.
Then, I spent a lot of money buying tool kits and tools that were said to be the right ones, suitables, and-what-have-you...but that weren't.
My wallet learned my lesson on tool kits the hard way; fortunately for me at a time when you could buy a complete and perfect 328 tool roll for 250 euros, which mitigated the disaster.
It actually makes me sick and tired each time I see a tool roll and its tools advertised as " complete and correct" for a car, when anyone with some knowledge about these can see it is not. This is why I say that Piezo has had a very good idea when he opened this thread. I am REALLY convinced that it will help and save people useless research and a lot of money; to say nothing of the wrong tools you end with, that cannot find any takers.

Oh, about the plugs: I have also searched the subject, but only for the Euro 328, and bought twelve Champion A6GC (correct for our Euro variant) each in its own cardboard box, so I am covered...

Rgds

 

Well, I hate to be cruel, but...the Champion A6GC I have, which are the type recommended for the Euro 3,2 engine, are in full cardboard boxes, without any cellophane...

Rgds

 

Champion A6GC, OEM equipment for Euro 3,2 Ferrari engines.
Two in the jack bag, in the specific pockets.

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Rgds

 

Bruno, Thank you, but ...

The link, you posted shows the new Champion box (after 1990).
Brian A asks for correct box for a 1983 QV. At that time the cardboxes have had celophane also.

see picture ...

btw I don't think, that the A6GC are correct for a 83 308 QV, but I could be wrong, because I don't know for sure, what my 83 208 turbo has had originaly before I changed to NGK platinum.
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Oh no, no, Markus: don't get me wrong, A6GC are ONLY correct for EURO 3,2 engines, as I wrote above.
I don't know with which spark plugs the US cars were delivered, neither the 3,2 not the 3,0. The plugs of the US cars were almost certainly NOT A6GC; only the owners of the cars are able to say with which plugs they were originaly delivered. My guess is that the plugs would have been in some kind of cardboard boxes however, as dust would get on the electrodes otherwise.

Furthermore, the A6GC may even not exist (??) in the 14mm diameter of the 3,0 engines: a 12mm plug from a 3,2 engine, or from a 3,2 tool/jack bag would not fit the 3,0 engine, which needs 14mm plugs!

Rgds

 

totaly agree

 

The caveats about the inaccuracies in the Parts Catalog notwithstanding, the 1983 US-spec QV Parts Catalog lists the sparkplugs for the jack kit as "CHAMPION N 6 GY".

 

Ask, and you shall be exauced..."the lord works in a mysterious way" (Elwood Blues, The Blues Brothers). 5 euros each.

Bougie CHAMPION N6GY Ferrari 208 308 Mondial Equipement Auto Haute-Vienne - leboncoin.fr

Rgds

 

like this ?
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Bruno, maybe there is a difference between the plugs sold at the dealer as a spare part or sold in a bulk pack for the garage or the factory ?

IMO the "card-box" Type is out of a bulkpack (20 or 50 or 100 pcs.) and the "card-celophane" Type was for single selling to the customer. Both box types where sold at the same time (80s).

 

Well, should we continue in such esoteric exchange, the F-Chat police will arrest both of us for really splitting hairs in four (this not to use a rather rude french expression implying flies) and they will have us interned in a psychiatric ward...we are now discussing the carboard boxes of spark plugs in thirty years-old tool kits...
But yes, basically I think you must be right: the one with the cellophane has probably more of a "display vocation" than the full cardboard ones, which are for the day-to-day change of plugs by the mechanic.

Rgds

 

But that means ... it's no wonder ... YOU have been right, Bruno !

At the factory they have had many, many "bulk packs" of spark plugs for sure (card boxed) to put 2 plugs in to the tool kits. When they have been used, they needed to be replaced ... by single bought "celophane-boxed" plugs from the dealer.

conclusion: originaly they have to be card-boxed.

Do you agree, Bruno, Master of hairsplitting ?

 

Well, perhaps Champion did sell the "cellophane-boxed" plugs to the factory by very large boxes of 100, let's say? I have a friend with a first-hand 328 that he bought new, I shall ask him what he has.

Rgds

 

Everest Tools is a leading manufacturer and exporters of Quality Hand Tools in India , having established our plant in the year 1962 with German collaborator named DOWIDAT WERKE WILLI DOWIDAT of Federal Republic of Germany. Our German collaboration ended in the year 1974 and since then we have been marketing widest range of hand tools in Everest Brand.

We are an ISO 9001-2000 Certified Company from DNV, Netherlands and we have a Research & Development cell which has been recognized by Ministry of Science & Technology, Government of India as well as most modern Tool room and Plating Plant fully backed with two power generators for uninterrupted power supply to our entire plant. We have been marketing high quality hand tools for over four decades to most quality conscious buyers in the country and abroad. Our products are certified by GS VPA Remscheid, Germany


As showed their collaboration ended in 1974..Although the quality is'nt that, to complete a toolkit its beter than nothing. Those spanners will not be used anyway !

Guido

 

Excellent. Thank you for the tip.

I have contacted the seller to try to get a few vintage cardboard boxed, cellophane wrapped CHAMPION N 6 GY plugs. My French is very poor and, in fact, used Google translate. I shall see in the morning what transpires, if anything.

Thanks again. Now that I have toolkit-neurosis, I will not be able to sleep until I have correctly packaged spark plugs in my toolkit.

 

Brian,

I would be happy to help for translation if necessary, or should the need be to act as an "intermediary relay": buy these myself, have these shipped to me here and re-ship them to you. Do not hesitate.

Rgds

 

This is a brain damaged fellows thread!

Ciao!

 

Are those spark plugs so rare?
At least for the carb cars ( N7Y ) there are several on ebay from time to time.

One example for the mainland of America:

N7Y CHAMPION SET OF 8 | eBay

Best Regards
Martin

 

The seller has not responded yet to my email, so it may be necessary to get some help. You as an intermediary would be greatly appreciated; feel free to buy them yourself and then redistribute them if you think that would be easiest.

Regarding translation, my email was as follows (I am not sure of the French word for "sparkplug" and I may have made a comical translation error, but I think I got the point across):

"Je voudrais acheter 4 Champion N6GY bougies de vous. Je cherche ceux qui sont en bon état (sous cellophane et dans leur boîte).

S'il vous plaît fournir les détails de paiement et je vais transmettre l'argent appropriate (PayPal?). Je vis dans la Californie, afin d'expédition sera aux Etats-Unis."

I am not sure they are rare, but there hasn't been a listing for them on eBay for the several months I have been looking for them. (Yet Bruno pulled a rabbit out of his magicians hat within minutes.) They will pop up again, but when they will is uncertain. There "should" be lots around, but "should" is always a dangerous word.

 

Strange he didn't answer, Brian; because even if the translation could have been better litteraly, it was perfectly understable...I'll see what I can do, and will report.

Rgds

 

yes those are easy to find. before ebay I bought one and folded plastic from a CD around it to make it look OEM!

 

This is really getting over the top. I checked my tool kit again, and the 2 Champion spark plugs I have are N 7 GY's. They are not in boxes, and appear to be as they were from the factory. I looked in my owners manual and nothing other than the number on the spark plug is listed for my car (81 GTSi). I have have ordered a new pouch from Alberto which should make what I have complete. Let me know where I can get boxed plugs to finally complete my kit. Hopefully I will again be able to sleep at night.
Regards,
WilliamR