HRE Wheels | Ferrari 456 with HRE P107 Wheels

We have installed here a set of P107 Wheels in Brushed Titanium on a Ferrari 456!
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Those look great! The finish is amazing.

Really updates the 456.

 

They really suit the car I assume they are 19inch , what size front and rear.

 

Looks great, similar to the F430 wheels and Novitec NF-2s.

Does HRE make an adapter so you can fit standard Ferrari center caps on the wheels?

What sizes and offsets are those wheels?

 

+1 on the caps. They would almost look OE. Lovely addition to the 456 - all she needs now is some big Brembos to fill those beautiful wheels.

 

We can actually cut/machine wheels specifically to accept your OE cap rather than use the HRE cap, so yes that's totally fine, but it should be requested.

 

It does look great! What is the price (if I may ask)?

Scott

 

I'll send over a quick private message to you in regards to pricing

 

If I had a 456 I'd be placing an order right now with factory centre caps. Makes the car look 10 years newer.

 

PM me as well.

 

I agree! Certainly freshens the look up, thanks for the kind words

Sure thing, message coming!

 

Pictures are nice, but how about disclosing also some technical info of those wheels?

- Diameter ?
- Size of channel front and rear?
- Offset front and rear?

Why should the price be an info for private message only?

 

The sizing on this particular set is 19x9 and 19x11. We do not disclose the offsets, but I can certainly send you a message with more information and pricing!

 

Like Alfrerdo said why can't you show the price..

 

We do not sell directly to retail which is why we typically take your information and send it to dealers so that they can give you an appropriate quote. Also this is not a sale thread, so if we were to post up price, this thread would be deleted and we would receive a slap on the wrist. Out of respect for the moderators and administrators who set the rules, we would just like to stay within our allotted bounds and refrain from doing so.

Send me a PM if you're interested or please feel free to email me and I would be happy to give you MSRP pricing, or I can put you in touch with one of our authorized dealers. Thank you for understanding.

 

Oh hell YES!

Think there may be a set of slightly used 550 wheels on the market soon.

Please PM all of the revenant specifications including what is required for the Cavalino Inserts.
Thanks.
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Haha, of course no problem! I'll send a message over right now.

 

Jurrian- What reason could you possibly have for not wanting anyone to know what offsets you are using? Pretty much basic info you need for fitting any wheel set. See below. My gift to you.

Ferrari OEM Wheel Sizes


5 X 114.3 mm Bolt Pattern

612

Five Spoke F 18”, R 19”, 5 X 114.3 mm
Front 8J X 18 ET 43.5 mm , R 10J X 19 ET 51.1 mm
Five Spoke Modulars 19”, 5 X 114.3 mm
Front 8J X 19 ET 43.5 mm, Rear 10J X 19 ET 51.1 mm
Challenge Monolithic 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
Front 8J X 20 ET 43.5 mm, Rear 10J X 20 ET 51.1 mm

599/HGTE/SA Aperta

Five Spoke F 19”, R 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
Front 8J X 19 ET 43.5 mm, Rear 11J X 20 ET 63.8 mm
Challenge Monolithic 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
Front 8J X 20 ET 43.5 mm, Rear 11J X 20 ET 63.8 mm
HGTE/SA Aperta Five Spoke 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
Front 8.5J X 20 ET 40 mm, Rear 11J X 20 ET 63.8 mm

599 GTO

Five V/Ten Spoke 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
Front 9.5J x 20” ET 38 mm, Rear 11.5J x 20” ET 63 mm

California

Pentagram Forged 19”, 5 X 114.3 mm.
Front 8J X 19 ET 44 mm, Rear 10J X 19 ET 52.5 mm
V Spoke Forged 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
Front 8J X 20 ET 44 mm, Rear 10J X 20 ET 52.5 mm

458

Five/Ten Spoke 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
Front 8.5J X 20 ET 46.5mm, Rear 10.5J X 20 ET 58.5 mm

458 Speciale

Five Spoke 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
Front 9J X 20 ET 44.7 mm, Rear 11J X 20 ET 48.4 mm

FF

Five Spoke 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
Front 8.5J X 20 ET 46.5, Rear 10.5J X 20 ET 53.4 mm

F12

Five/Ten Spoke 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
Front 9.5J X 20 ET 48.4 mm, Rear 11.5J X 20 ET 71.6 mm

F12 tdf

Ten Spoke 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
Front 10J X 20 ET TBD, Rear 11.5J X 20 ET 71.6 mm

488

Five/Ten Spoke 20”, 5 X 114.3 mm
Front 9J X 20 ET TBD, Rear 11J X 20 ET TBD




5 X 108 mm Bolt Pattern

Testarossa

Five Spoke 16”, 5 X 108 mm
Front 8J x 16 ET 34.2 mm, Rear 10J x 16 ET 59.6 mm

512 TR/F512M

Five Spoke 18”, 5 X 108 mm
Front 8J x 18 ET 46 mm, Rear 10.5J X 18 ET 81.75 mm

348

Five Spoke 17” Early, 5 X 108 mm
Front 7.5J X 17 ET 49 mm, Rear 9J X 17 ET 68 mm
Five Spoke 17” Late, 5 X 108 mm
Front 7.5J X 17 ET 49 mm, Rear 9J X 17 ET 43.05 mm

355

Five Spoke 18”, 5 X 108 mm
Front 7.5J X 18 ET 32 mm, Rear 10J X 18 ET 77.9 mm

456 GT/456M

Five Spoke 17”, 5 X 108 mm
Front 8.5J X 17 ET 50 mm, Rear 10J X 17 ET 24.6mm

360

Five Spoke and Modular 18”, 5 X 108 mm
Front 7.5J X 18 ET 31.5 mm, Rear 10J X 18 ET 38.95 mm

360 Challenge

Challenge Monolithic 18”, 5 X 108 mm
Front 8J X 18 ET 31.5 mm, Rear 10.5J X 18 ET 39.95 mm

360 Challenge Stradale

Challenge Monolithic 19”, 5 X 108 mm
Front 7.5J X 19 ET 31.5 mm, Rear 10J X 19 ET 39 mm

550/575M/Superamerica

550/575M Five Spoke/Modular 18”, 5 X 108 mm
Front 8.5J X 18 ET 43.65 mm, Rear 10.5J X 18 ET 32 mm
575M/575 Superamerica Five Spoke Modular 19”, 5 X 108 mm
Front 8.5J X 19 ET 43.6 mm, Rear 10.5J X 19 ET 32 mm

F430

Five (Ten) Spoke, Challenge Monolithic, Scuderia Style 19”, 5 X 108 mm
Front 7.5J X 19 ET 31.5 mm, Rear 10J X 19 ET 39 mm

F430 Challenge

Challenge Monolithic, Center Lock
Front 8J X 19 H2 Center Lock, Rear 10.5J X 19 H2 Center Lock

Scuderia/16M

10 Spoke, Five Spoke 19”, 5 X 108 mm
Front 8J X 19 ET 31.5 mm, Rear 10J X 19 ET 39 mm

 

We get asked this question a lot so let me shed a bit of light on it. The most simplistic answer without going into too much detail would be that we spend a significant amount of money in R&D to verify offsets, fitment, what tire sizes work, and so forth, for each individual vehicle. That proprietary information that we retain from posting on forums or anywhere else for that matter (aside from FlowForm where offsets are public information), is because we don't want to give away that information for free. We don't want to hide this information from the end consumer who ultimately buys wheels - which is why if you purchase a set of wheels, you'll know the offsets - it's primarily because we don't post that information for other companies and manufacturers to take for themselves. We do not wish to give away something we spend thousands of dollars securing so that another manufacturer can mooch off what we do and essentially get away with it and produce their own wheels with the "HRE Wheels" type fitment that we produce time and time again.


The OEM offsets you gave me have no bearing on the aftermarket other than a basis of measurement to know what works for a factory wheel, this is the aftermarket so we don't necessarily require OEM offsets and sizes to manufacture our own sets, we just use them for reference but not as an actual measurement to base our wheels since we measure each individual car ourselves.

 

Jurrian- Sounds silly to me, but it is your business. The stock offsets are the starting point for any custom installation. Otherwise you waste too much time on trial and error.

 

There is no trial and error with measuring the vehicle ourselves, we know the sizing and offset recommendation as well as tire size once the vehicle is measured by our engineers. Though I make it sound easy, that's just because we have been making wheels for 40 years, so it should be easier for us. No trial and error, no silly business here, just dedicated employee's who have the passion to do it right, and without compromise.

If you have any additional questions on the process, I'd be happy to detail it more for you if you'd like to send me a PM directly to keep this thread on topic should anyone else have questions about the photos I have posted. Thank you!

 

Apparently offsets are proprietary info in the wheel business, but Buyer Beware!!

I bought wheels (not HRE's) from HRE's largest dealer when I first got my 456 years back, and the wheel company would not disclose the offsets to me. Instead, on my inquiry, the owner of the wheel company tried to appease me by stating personally, 'I guarantee fitment'. Needless to say, the wheels went back & forth to the mfgr 3 times and NEVER fit my car. And the dealer gave me a Royal Screwing.

I never saw my money or the wheels again.

So don't count on wheel companies or their dealers. You're spending significant monies, count on yourself. Regardless of what they tell you, make sure you know your offsets and make sure the fitment is correct. From that point on, I do my own calculating and buy with confidence. I have been able to do better on my own than most dealers have done for me in the past (and I buy wheels often for most every car I drive).

You should know your stock sizes and offsets before you venture into changing anything. And then, in the case of your F car, armed with the valuable info that Taz posts, this is the absolute best site I have found for calculating offsets and tire sizes if you are going to do anything other than bone stock:

Rim & Tire Size Calculator. Custom Offsets - Wheel-Size.com

With this site you can see the effects any changes you might consider, and view alternatives and with commentary on the effects of each of them.

Once you visit this site, you will see how Taz's data, that he spent time assembling and so generously posts time and again to help others, is of so very much and significant value. You can also use sites such as TireRack's to obtain tire size and availability info. Armed with this info you can experiment with alternative fitments on the site I suggest and target what you really want to accomplish with new wheels/tires.

No disrespect meant to HRE- (GORGEOUS fitment above)- They are a Great company, but buyers should do their homework and know and agree to what they are buying. Don't count on the dealers or mfgrs to know what they are doing in the case of every car, and especially when you're going other than stock, because they are making decisions on characteristics of the fitment that may be vastly different from those you'd make for yourself.

I understand data is often proprietary because many lesser companies try to use data from companies like HRE who have spent time collecting data and through fitment experience. But those days are gone as wheel offset and fitment calculators are more commonplace and the availability of information these days makes trial and error in fitments more a thing of the past.

The mfgr should volunteer data to any bonafide buyer who inquires, because that person has a right to know what he's buying and to approve of it. The site I mentioned above is one of many Great places to explore your ideas on fitment and this site is part of that process as we are all here to help one another.

 

Jurrian,
knowing the offset of the wheels one is considering to buy is probably the most important information, and I do not need to explain you why.
Since the factory offsets are well known, keeping the offsets of your wheels a secret is like admitting it is not the same as the factory and will likely require spacers.

 

This is rarely the case with high end wheel manufacturers from my experience.

They don't reveal the offsets because they put the work in on perfecting the fitment which may have had a trial and error process with a donor or customer car. This takes a considerable amount of time and money to accomplish.

If they were to just throw them out there for the public to see, one could go to any wheel manufacturer with the same specs and purchase from a competitor after HRE (or whoever) did all the work in sorting proper fitment.

They're not selling you a set of wheels off the rack and sending you off to figure out whether or not you need spacers. They're telling you these wheels will fit like photographed above if you order them from them.

If you want factory offset wheels, you need not ask what offset they are and just tell them that's what you want.

 

Oops...just realized that was already clarified on page one.