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The great cockpit debate; 'discussion' this Friday....

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  1. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Yes but only thing worse for the fans would be not to see tge drivers at all as in Le Mans cars
     
  2. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Interesting viewpoint. Not saying you're wrong, but as Bas noted, I think we'd get used to it pretty quickly.

    For unknown reasons, I'm just not a fan of any kind of 'plastic cockpit', be it full or partial.

    Having said that, I'm with what seems to be the majority here - it's just fine as it is. We very occasionally have a bad shunt, but as previously noted, 'motor racing is dangerous'. Don't like the risks? Don't participate.

    Cheers,
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  3. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    Did you guys watch Sky?

    They had Grosjean trail behind Seb with a thong in his face today to evaluate rear visibility. I wonder what his conclusions were.
     
  4. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

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    Here you guys go!

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQkDHCls5pY[/ame]
     
  5. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Thanks! Interesting stuff!

    Don't quite agree with all his comments & conclusions, but very interesting nevertheless.

    I was impressed by Mclarens 'two color' aero paint deal - I suspect they'll all be copying that pretty quickly.

    Thanks for posting,
    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  6. joker57676

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    I tend to disagree. The more comical the cars look, the more it hurts the sports and (I think) the faster it will drive fans away. I hate the idea of canopies, but at least they look more futuristic, more purposeful. They look like a step forward. The halo, on the other hand, looks like a bad joke.



    Mark
     
  7. furmano

    furmano Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Big time! This is just another example of how F1 is loosing the plot.

    Push more people away, push more people away, push more people away. At some point the stands will be empty and the ratings will be next to zero.

    -F
     
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  9. tifosi12

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    For me it is all about being able to see the helmet of the driver. Canopies will block the view due to light reflections
     
  10. TexasF355F1

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    I've thinking about this, even though I still think the halo or whatever is dumb, why did they not design it with 4-posts instead of the 3-post it is?
     
  11. Igor Ound

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    Perv ;)
     
  12. BMWairhead

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    Speaking as a motorcyclist...

    Straight forward vision is much less important than right/left "off-axis" vision. When going through curves, twisties, etc...one looks well down the road...not straight ahead.

    So...a single upright straight in front of the driver will be less obtrusive than two just off-axis.
     
  13. furmano

    furmano Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Make the cars uglier and uglier and uglier. And worse sounding. And see how the fans react.

    We know how the fans react. They've said "no thanks", we'll take our money elsewhere.

    -F
     
  14. tifosi12

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    LOL

    But seriously watching sports car racing looks so sterile to me because you no longer see the human driving the machine. It's just cars going by. They might as well be remotely controlled.
     
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    Only reason hulkenberg is complaining is because his eyes are too close together
     
  16. TexasF355F1

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    That makes sense, didn't even think about that.
     
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    I guess it just doesn't matter that much to me anymore. About all we see now is the visor and top of the helmet anyway.



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  18. tifosi12

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    Yet enough to see the colors of the helmet to know who is driving
     
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    Maybe that's why it doesn't bother me, I automatically look at the camera on the roll hoop to determine who's driving (except for a select few drivers).



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  20. Igor Ound

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    I think it's inevitable cockpits will evolve to be closer and closer to jet figther ones but that hoop is hideous and a step backwards in my opinion.

    Give them a clear canopy, half face helmets, anti gravity suits, augmented reality overimposed to the glass screen and ejection seats/parachute that activate automatically when the car is inevitably going to crash at high speeds and is levelled (possibly not when under the tunnel in Monaco though)
     
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    Lol
     
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  25. 4rePhill

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    The triangular part of this device sits above the drivers normal field of view, and the singular front support sits in a position whereby the the drivers normal binocular vision means that the support is not really noticeable (as was noted by Kimi when he said it made little difference to his normal vision from the drivers seat).

    As I've posted previously, there could be a problem from certain grid positions with the halo device obscuring the start lights though, an issue of which some of the team's engineers/designers have also expressed concerns about.

    It should be noted that the device fitted to the Ferrari was just an initial prototype to get an idea from the drivers as to whether it presented any significant issues with their vision when on a race track, and does not actually represent the final version of the "halo" device.
     

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