Speciale or 16M or RS 4.0?

Hopefully we're not trying to argue that market price has much to do with which car drives best, or that a bunch of 'idiotic' collectors are somehow disturbing the market away from where it deserves to be, based on the ability of the product, or that modernity = greatness and speed = desirability? Because that would be silly wouldn't it?

Here's a price/value equation;

Car's greatness x timing x peculiarity of humans/supply = price/value

Where greatness is not to do with ability only but beautiful appearance (Dino), ability for its age (F40), emotions evoked (Noise of 355), place in history (250 GTO), interesting engineering (Testarossa) etc.

 

The only thing I am hesitating with the Speciale are the unknown production figures.

I think with below 2000 units and his status as the last NA V8 it will hold it´s value.

But I doubt this figures.

There was a thread were the production split between the normal V8 and the special series V8 was stated. And the extrapolation indicates clearly that there were more than 3000 Speciales.

This fact let me hesitate to pay the high Speciale price (I am in Europe).

 

If you really want value don't buy the car and invest the money. Cars are an unreliable investment at best.

 

The 16M may actually have a more significant place in history than the Speciale or Aperta. The 16M will probably be the last truly RAGTOP spyder, last convertible with the engine visible under glass, last convertible with the single clutch superfast transmission, and a commemorative edition representing the 16 F1 Builders World Championship titles. Also, the 16M/ Scud is the last model that was a collaborative tuning and design effort with Micheal Schumacher. With the advent of the Speciale/Aperta, I don't believe it makes the 16M obsolete or less desirable but actually the contrary. They don't produce the scud/16M anymore so it makes it that much harder to obtain one. The fact that a Speciale can out perform a Scud is just a natural progression, but doesn't make the latter any less valuable. That would be like saying a 275 GTB or an Enzo is worth less because the next model can out perform it.

I don't understand why you would order a 911 if you think it is ugly. if you don't like it, then leave it to someone who would appreciate the ownership.

 

I love the 16M but I don't think history will place values for them above the 458SA. This is just conjecture as only time will tell. I have an 08 Scud, so I'm a fan of the Scud/16M.

 

I think all these cars are gonna drop. The 4.0 was the best and last GT3 manual until Porsche just announced last week that the 2017 GT3 (and surely the 2018 RS) will be available in a stick. I don't think it will take as big of a hit as the regular 997 GT3RS, but there will surely be a few jumpers to the new beast. The 16M was $250k in October of 2014 with no reasonable reason for doubling in value other than Driving Emotions kept creeping the price up from $245k to $395k on a nice low mileage black car that they eventually dumped on Miller Motorcars. Then a couple guys (apparently) bought in the $400k range thinking they better get the car before it hits $500k. However, the same 10-12 cars have been sitting on lots for months and months with no buyers. The Speciale will likely follow the Ferrari V8 trend of above MSRP (2015) to at MSRP (today) to below MSRP (fall 2016). I don't think we'll see a huge drop below MSRP because it is such a great drivers' car and the latest and greatest and last Ferrari NA V8 (for now). That's what I think about these 3 cars, and as mentioned numerous times, don't buy a car as an investment.

 

Unfortunately too many of the cars mentioned have outperformed most of my "reliable investments" over the last 2-3 years... ;-) Unfortunately my investments were also a lot less fun to look at and you can't even drive them!

 

Driving Emotions prices are always way high. They probably still have the same Blue and Orange LP640s for sale.

 

They are too high now. In investment, good buy is more important than good stuff. Even the brand (RACE) has been dropping much because it was over valued (bad buy) when launching, let alone the cars.

 

Hmmm.. you can predict the market? OK, give me your number, I am going to ask your view on my stock portfolio...

 

... but which one would YOU pick???

 

Cars are not particularly good investments, even limited production cars aside from the laferrrari, f12tdf etc. If I had to pick which one will hold its value better I would think a gt3 RS for msrp.

 

I have engaged in equity investment for more than twenty years, and supported by the investment as well as proceeds I then have bought several cars just for fun, rather than consider their potential value. I currently owned E92 M3, 991 GT3, California T, 458 Speciale Aperta and F12, and have a TdF in production.

What I am trying to say is you need sufficient financial backup so that you can buy what you want without any burden.