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  1. NeuroBeaker

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    I guess it would also deal with internal mist pretty effectively too.

    All the best,
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  2. 4rePhill

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    Some teams already have grills over the intakes.

    The rule the FIA want to enforce is about drivers not throwing tear-offs onto the track or pitlane, and that is what they want to ban: Throwing them out of the car, they are not talking about banning tear-offs (Nowhere in the linked article does it support the sensationalised headline with a statement from the FIA saying they want to ban tear-offs! - Yet more poor journalism aimed at creating a controversy where it doesn't exist!).

    Surely the simplest solution is to have the drivers put the tear-off in a large pocket in their overalls? - Considering everything else an F1 driver does during a race, putting a tear-off in a pocket shouldn't be too hard!
     
  3. racerx3317

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    #28 racerx3317, Mar 22, 2016
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    Yup, really. Something like that happened to Michael Andretti at Detroit in the 1989 Cart race. Throttle stuck open and put him in the wall. Lost the race as a result. Cause was eventually traced to rubber tearing from a hole in the sole of his driving shoe jamming up the pedal mechanism. I **** you not.
    Point is you don't want anything loose in the cockpit during a race.
     
  4. racerx3317

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    At speed down a straight, cause it would be super tough to do in a corner, you'd be expected to take it off, hold on to it and not let the wind take it, then stuff it in your pocket? While racing? Sounds like a poop show waiting to happen.
     
  5. william

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    +1

    Thanks for the explanation.

    Some people are too eager to criticise ANY new decision and blame the FIA for EVERYTHING these days.
     
  6. BMWairhead

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    No question that Jacques Villeneuve had enough room in his overalls for six or seven large pockets full of tear-offs.

    I predict that helmet manufacturers / team engineers will have a clever solution in very short order.
     
  7. racerx3317

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    Like they don't deserve it..:)

    Still doesn't answer where the heck do you put them then. Had they made this rule in the offseason, ok fine plenty of time to figure something out, but after the first race?
     
  8. william

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    Both 4arePhil and myself gave solutions to that problem.
     
  9. 375+

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    That's right, his driving suit was always three sizes too large. Why I don't know?
     
  10. racerx3317

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    The pocket of the overalls? Not sure that's realistic while at speed.
     
  11. nsxrebel

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    again, they are already fiddling with knobs and buttons all over the steering wheel, you don't think they can take half a second to stuff a plastic into a coverall pocket, while on a long straight?
     
  12. racerx3317

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    Wouldn't the seat belts make getting into your pockets not so easy? If the solution was that simple then the teams wouldn't have asked to have the rule delayed, don't you think?
     
  13. nsxrebel

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    #38 nsxrebel, Mar 22, 2016
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    Pockets can be sewn on anywhere besides the chest area. Simple pocket on the legs like on flight suits will suffice.
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  14. singletrack

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    Yes, race cars with "throttle by wire" still get stuck throttles sometimes...usually computer/coding issues vs mechanical.
     
  15. trumpet77

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    FIA could kill two birds with one stone; instead of worrying about tear-offs, just require drivers to change helmets during pit stops, kind of like Formula E where they have to change cars!

    Yes, this is a joke.
     
  16. 4rePhill

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    Really? - Do have any idea about the amount of oil, water, brake dust, dirt and other c:censored: p that F1 cars throw out the back during a race?

    What are the helmet manufacturers going to do? - Fit visor wash 'n' wipers?

    Perhaps the could have a multi-layer visor helmet and throw entire visors out the car!

    Not one single helmet manufacturer has come up with an equivalent or better alternative to tear-offs in the last 30 years or so, so how are they going to come up with one now?
     
  17. Fast_ian

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    I'd take that job! ;)

    I realize you're at least a little tongue in cheek here. However I recall at least one, if not more, of the Middle Eastern places had to quickly change their littering laws or we'd have a bunch of one handed drivers after they were arrested for littering.

    Cheers,
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  18. racerx3317

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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3aSTBnD-Pc

    :)
     
  19. racerx3317

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    Wouldn't be too easy to reach down under the dash while belted in. On the sleeve maybe but that isn't ideal either.
     
  20. william

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    During the TT at the Isle of Man, they change the visor on the rider's helmet during the pit stop for refuelling.

    Just an idea.

    Why some driver jetison their tear off, just leaving the pits?

    A roll of transparent film is used by some riders in motorcycle enduro or during long track races.
     
  21. nsxrebel

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    you're just reaching now. It's not like they'd have to reach to their feet to reach a pocket. if you look at that flight suit, it has pockets on the thighs.

    Drivers used to manually shift all the time. Heck, even Ayrton Senna used to shift with the opposite hand while having the steering wheel fully locked. Tearing off a plastic and stuffing it in a pocket is trivial, wouldn't take much time.
     
  22. BMWairhead

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    I ride/race/track motorcycles...so, I have a bit of an idea about the issue...

    Steve Matchett is always saying that if mandated, the F1 engineers would design a tiny and clever starter motor...they aren't mandated, so they don't do it.

    I look at tear-offs in a similar way. Nobody has tried to improve them because there was no need. Current tear-off technology is simple and it works as intended. They have it slimmed down to virtually nothing...so, why would anyone suggest even exploring an alternative?

    Well...collateral damage has shown that tear-offs need a re-think. IOW, now they are mandating the need...so, I believe we will see some clever solutions that address the issues raised.
     
  23. rmani

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    Nice info/response
     
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    Sky only doesn't affect me but if I was from the UK I would be mad
     

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