Rumor time

My friend in Munich who has been a Ferrari owner past 30 years was told today by his dealer that F12 successor will be unveiled at Paris auto show. He just took delivery of his 2nd F12,

I asked if its going to be a NA car or turbo. He guessed turbo. Paris unveiling isn't a guess.

Also 150 open top LaF's are coming-he didn't get one.


Please don't shoot the messenger (that's me) just what I heard.

Thoughts???

 

Well ...

Most people will hate it.

A few will say it's inevitable.

Maybe even like it.

Some others will wish for an electric hybrid.

Some will talk about the more raw older cars.

More people will say how much they love their F12, the last in line.

Thread over ...

 

Hope LaF prices will drop with release of the LaF cab

 

Pretty sure it was confirmed that it'll remain NA. For now...Lets hope so. Ferrari has been on a serious roll so I'm excited!

 

Not sure I follow why they would debut the F12 "M" in Paris. That's awfully close to the FF and the TdF debut.

As for the next car getting turbos? I surely hope not, and I think Ferrari will go to great lengths to avoid it. Further more there haven't been any sightings as of yet of any F12 turbo mules, and that alone tells a lot, considering how close Paris is.

Could this be a dealers attempt at moving more cars by stirring the pot?

 

This chimes with a post I probably unfairly rubbished in another thread earlier which said F12 production to stop in June. Very odd to launch FF successor and F12 successor in the same year, let alone 8 months apart, but.....

Convinced it will not be turbo......yet.

 

It seems more compressed than their typical history, but I'd imagine by the time its in production, they will want/need something new to keep V12 production (and sales) levels high.

As for a turbo, I 1) hope not and 2) think not. Only logic I can apply is that the F12 would likely require substantial changes to accommodate a turbo engine (i.e. better to do on a net-new platform) and developing a V12 turbo would be a mega R&D investment (i.e. smaller displacement, more complex plumbing). A lot of development just went into the existing engine platform (for F12, FF, GTC4 and TDF). Of course, I could be wrong...

 

This definitely has the ring of truth

 

Indeed. I also think there's something else that makes the F12 "M" being a turbo unlikely. Why would they debut an N/A Lusso and then debut an F12 turbo the same year? The way I see it, there's surely more power to be had over the existing engine platform - partly due to the fact that the FXX-K is kind of a development platform for this engine. Also I had a talk with a friend of mine the other day and he suggested that it would be a turbo as it seemed so easy for Ferrari to switch the mid engine production and the Cali T to turbo - so why not the F12 he said. However I don't think going turbo on the F12 can be compared to going turbo on the Cali T and 488. There already were a V8TT platform Ferrari could develop their engine from, but there's no V12TT in any other Fiat/Chrisler brand to develop an engine on. So as you said, building a turbo V12 is indeed a mega leap from the current platform and the switch would take quite some time. The fact alone that nobody who's been on recent factory tours have seen anything of the sort makes it unlikely. They should be developing a factory line and do major testing by now, if they were indeed going turbo.

My money is still on a Geneva debut and an N/A engine platform.

 

Thanks for the posts everyone. I can argue the other side of the coin to the logic about why debut a turbo motor against the NA V12 in the GTC4. Though I agree with your point- I think it would be better to stick with the NA V12. I would say this will become a unique selling point for the 4 seater AND--- they are running into a HP marketing wall with the NAV12 - how much more power could they have and not upset TDF owners? They could make a power bump if the motor was a turbo though. They could say the TDF and F60 America are the ultimate variation of the NA V12 and thats it. So maybe the F12M gets a 760HP turbo motor- more power over F12b, and more fuel efficient too.

But I digress, I think you guys are right about the better to do turbo on a whole new platform.

 

yeah..at least msrp...lmao !

 

F12 M: It will be n/a and no Turbo and it will be Geneva and it will have 800 hp, more than the tdf.

Marcel Massini

 

Lambo sold 5000 aventador. It's an incredible success. I dont think Ferrari has sold that many F12. Anyone confirm?

 

1.7M Euro is what he said

 

when i started this thread, i intentionally left out my opinion.


I think the Turbo is coming soon(on a new platform), F1 switched over to turbo cars a couple seasons ago and thats usually a good indicator of whats to come.

exactly when and what car i have no clue. probably by 18-new platform, thats what my friend said and much as i dont like it, he is probably correct. He works in F1 as well.

 

I REALLY hope this is right and is what I think will happen.My order is in.
Then hoping for a LE version to finish F12 run.

 

WOW !

 

Marcel - is there a displacement increase or just new intake/cams/tuning?

 

I don't think you should put too much into what power the TdF has. Remember that Ferrari upped the power substantially over the GTO when they introduced the F12. Said in a bit of a crude way. When the F12 "M" comes, it will be the hot ticked the TdF will be yesterdays news and for Ferrari that means it has to be the most powerful front engined V12. Don't count on Ferrari showing much consideration for those who bought the TdF feeling cheated if the F12 "M" is more powerful.

My guess too.

 

Not to stir things up but, if accurate, also 139 hp more than 599GTO and more than LaF engine (can't get to my spreadsheet now but the e-motor 'stuff' should be at least 150 hp). And still NA. Not a big increase if you consider that the F12 berlinetta at 731 hp exceeded both the GTO and the 599xx.

Once again, Ferrari is about that wonderful NA V12 engine. Passion.

 

Actually that's exactly as much power as the LF's V12 makes. I kind of doubt that they will match the power output of their halo car's internal combustion engine though.

 

That was my immediate thought but as the information came from MM, I give it more credibility. In addition, the LF has electric to fill in the consequential torque gap at the bottom end so I can only assume that the displacement must have been increased but then also understood that this block had gone as far as it could. In all, a slight conundrum.

 

The only thing that would make sense for an LE run out would be the oft denied Aperta.

 

I think that is one of the possibilities.
I also think a tdf aperta followed by F12 M LE and aperta is possible.

 

When will 2017 F12 s be released and will it be an upgraded car or the same as a 2016 ?