1600 mile 512 BBi to be auctioned by The Finest Auction House

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Wow, that interior shows a lot of 'age'.

 

Perhaps they meant:
1,600 miles "with the speedo connected"
Call me a cynic,
vincenzo
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Hey! It's got the original orange peal so that must be worth something!
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Maybe the owner just enjoyed sitting in it. And everyone else that came over for that matter. Lol

 

Is this your car Geno?

 

It's 35 years of dirt. Ones's ass can and does have an effect on leather after 3 decades. What are you a forensic scientist?

 

Yes and it's a real virgin. Took me years to find it. Owned it for 9 years. Never restored, very we'll preserved and authentic and can use a good detail. Also needs a service. Drives as-new...

 

No - as I stated - call me a cynic

 

a real beauty geno...hate to see you sell her after all these years

best of luck to you in the sale however. I hope she brings all the money!!

 

lol and only winter driven.

Sorry Geno but its not much better than my 79 with 12000 kms that sat outside for 5 years. I like that my car had 8900 kms on it when I bought it but it might as well be 100000. Add to that the incorrect items and DOT it doesn't do it any favours. GLWS hope you get the dough

 

I hope you have a reserve
These are not the best of times to be selling a bbi
GLWS

 

Is it time for your next move into a pristine boxer again.

All top end cars are off, but BBis seem to have weathered pretty well. Of course all owners say that.

Still yes the premium for such low mileage may be hard to find now that we are in less speculative times.

 

geno, nice looking car, but some aspects dont seem to hold up to the mileage. that may just be my impression, but they are your photos.
that being said, i am sure that you will get some interest since it is such a classic.

who did the conversion? its not an amerispec

 

The conversion was done when the car was new by Classic Coach. The car looks the part in person if one knows what to look for. 12 migapixcil cameras show every detail, it's an unrestored original. It's not a new car, it's 35 years old and hasn't had much done to it over the years. I borrowed the original knock offs temporarily for my 365 BB for the FCA Nationals meet last August and haven't had a chance to reinstall them. The only other non-original item is the Larini exhaust but the original one comes with it. I owned a few Boxers that have been driven and inspected a ton of Boxers . This car although not perfect is very well preserved. In the years I've owned it I've put about 800 miles on it but never detailed it. So you get what you see with a little dirt with out a $1000 detail or a restoration that takes away the car's autheticuty and therefore it's soul. You want a prefectly restored BB with it's newly replaced flat sheen leather and loss of the tiny black dots in the original skins and it's zero flaws, they are out there. But as they say the car is original only once. As of late original unrestored, some times quite rough cars, break the bank because people are tired of looking at shinny poorly restored Ferraris with their authenticity lost for ever. This car is pretty much how it left the factory with all it's books, tools and tons of documentation in perfect condition. It drives amazing and very tight. All signs of the very low use. It's not an easy car to replace so if it does not sell I won't be disappointed. I paid exactly double when I bought it versus a typical BB's value at the time. I wouldn't of done it if the car wasn't at the level deserving it's value.

 

Geno, your Busby BB365 is stunning, glad I saw it in person at Quail and FCA annual last August.

Your BBi is unique and should fetch one of the higher values for BBis.

All that said, it is fair criticism regarding the represented miles, and may explain why your car hasn't sold in the past. As many of us who follow these cars with passion and interest, you also know as well as anyone that representation isn't what it appears on the surface and it is a "buyer beware" world for fine vintage cars.

My '83 BBi had verified and documented 7,900 kms without a speedo change like many US DOT BB's, but when I was looking I didn't accept the mileage documentation until an expert inspected the car. Wear at key areas are a better indication than some documents that can be "messaged." A few other tell tale signs told me the valance had been painted. Not the end of the world, but I knew that while the person selling the car represented it as "100% original, factory paint" that at least the front had been painted since the factory. Even so, years later when Newman inspected my BBi, he found some other inconsistencies with the way my car had been represented. I was glad for his knowledge, and also so I better understood my car and its history. Fortunately for me, those revelations didn't amount to diminished value in a consequential way. And I appreciate it that much more knowing the condition in comparison to many other BBis out there is very favorable.

The leading edges of my horns now with 22k kms (about 13,000 miles) show less wear than the horns pictured in your ad. Maybe they have been changed, but you should check the passing lights chrome surround and glass, which is much tougher to road rash than paint, for pitting and wear.

I say this respectfully and to help you since another knowledgeable, serious collector or their representative who would be interested in your car will be looking for those and other indicators of mileage as well.

More than not, these old Ferraris all have a story, and I have found also that most owners I encountered when I was looking represented their cars with more wishful thinking than actual facts.

Again, the remarks above are only to add clarity to what previous posters have mentioned regarding mileage. I fully expect your BBi to claim top dollar, and I encourage you to only settle for a price due for an excellent example such as yours. Good luck!

 

yes sure. I bought my 328 with 24000km but the interior looked an awfull lot better.
Sorry for the OP but paying double compared to the avergae price vack than does not guarentee the car is truly a low milage car. The pictures simply tell a different story. \\\

it's your car, so believe what you want but do not asume the next buyer is blind.

 

1981 Original 700km seats (black) with factory plastic in place and zero sheen

1984 Original 12000km seats (tan) some sheen.
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And a very rare tan dash!

 

Agreed which has been recovered in tan during the full restoration. Its the 84 Im restoring in another thread.

 

Geno, your car is magnificent. It would be a shame to see the seats redone. I'd like to see what a good deep cleaning would do. GLWS

 

A Ferrari's 'soul' was never built upon 'a little dirt'.

Leaving a car without simple upkeep (like a bit of leather cleaning/care) is not only damaging, it is sad. Truly sad.

How much corrosion is inside that engine due to a lack of maintenance? Have you ever refreshed the coolant? When was the last time the oiling system had any pressure in it?

How much corrosion is in your brake system due to water condensation? Have you ever flushed the fluid?

Have you ever turned the engine over by hand? Ever pressurized the oiling system? Ever refreshed the grease in the chassis? Ever used any fogging oil in the cylinders?

Ever replace the timing belts? Hmmmmm.... those 800 miles you put on the car were 'high risk'. Think of those dry rotted parts.... I am being very polite here.

Combine old, rock hard seals with dry, hard grease and the results are abhorent.

Ever used Sta-bil in your fuel system? Think of the varnish that permeates the fuel system!

ALL of those internal parts need to be rotated and moved regularly while in fresh fluids (grease/oil/anti-freeze/brake fluid etc).

I submit to you that letting a car rot like this "....a little dirt with out a $1000 detail or a restoration that takes away the car's autheticuty and therefore it's soul...." is a truly sad waste of a iconic classic.

A really sad state of affairs :-/

Sadly,
vincenzo

PS: Check this out... I was unwilling to turn over a dry engine by hand to 'just' time the cams...
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/boxers-tr-m/514332-83958-major-2016-pre-lube.html
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come on man...enough of the throwing of stones.

 

You are right... my bad.

People are free to do whatever they want to with their cars.

Best Regards,
vincenzo
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For sale.....never abused.....recent diff upgrade