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Pavesi 412 cabriolet labeled FIAT on side

Discussion in '365 GT4 2+2/400/412' started by bitzman, Mar 2, 2016.

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  1. bitzman

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    Before it was discussed on here the Garrison 412 Scaglietti Ferrari which was nicely finished inside and out but still ugly. But far more ugly was the Pavesi-bodied convertible on a 412 chassis (I think, though I haven't translated the French). That was the one that looked like a GM compact or Japanese car from the front. See here:

    European Ferrari 400 Club » #65201 & #81011, deux 412?spéciales?





    And the workmanship on that second car was spotty, maybe because I suspect it was only ever supposed to be a test mule, and never destined for any show (even the Garrison car might have only been a mule but once Garrison expressed interest in buying it, they dolled it up).I know the Garrison car sold at auction in the U.S. but wonder if anyone knows what happened to the Ugly One, the other Rosso Corsa Pavesi car? Also was it built on a 412 chassis or a carbon fiber tub?
    Finally I thought I saw a front end shot of a green 400 convertible ( can remember a picturre I saw 30 years ago...but not where I saw it) that Ferrari was reported to have sold to a civilian, that one supposed to be the carbon fiber experiment, but that had the regular body shape except for the soft top. So are there three?
    Also Garrison tried to tell me in person he ordered the car when I saw it at a concours, but I think he was taking credit for having commissioned a car that had already been built for testing purposes. Or what he meant to say was that he had a chance to buy it and ordered all the little changes (such as Borranis). He was hard to talk to, grumpy would be the adjective that comes to mind.
     
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    Reminds me of Alex's car with the tag "1BigFiat" :D
     
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    That's a blast from the past! He used to drive it year round from upstate NY to lower Manhattan.
     
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    The rear look like it's upside down.
     
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    Not pretty.
     
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    You're too kind...
     
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    Now we know why nobody ever tries to turn a Ferrari into a Fiero.
     
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    In snow over a foot deep also! He was pretty fun.
     
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    The front looks like a Peugeot, the rear is a disaster. Overall it isn't horrible, if someone redesigned the rear end it could be a decent looking car.
     
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    Just think.....someone cut up a nice 412 5-speed to make that.......
     
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    You think that one is bad...check this out....

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    I like it!
     
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    No comment... did the owner pass a criminal trial ?

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    somewhat reminiscent of the Lambo Estrada???!!! Jq.
     
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    Yeah, those six taillight are terrible.....I agree.
     
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    An answer to a question that no one ever asked! Putting aside the concept's merits or not, the execution looks particularly crude and the light color on top of the dark blue is just so wrong aesthetically. Add the spoiler/gurney flap, the awkward looking side glass and the sum is a possibly interesting "shooting brake" concept a la Aston Martin or Bentley derailed by an ugly execution.

    Either of the two Harrah Jerraris was a better solution for anyone desiring Ferrari power. They even had the advantage of four doors and AWD!

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    I can see it being acceptable from the side, it's merely American station wagon design
    from the Fifties (It looks like Exner work) but from the back it has a home-made look like they bought that rear window at a hardware store. I think this could still be rebuilt into a 400 body style but since 400s are still so cheap, why bother?

    I don't think Felber's name, at a big auction,would command the respect of a real coachbuilder like Touring, Pininfarina, Michelotti, etc. He is more in the George Barris School of Bondo schlock
     
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