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Countach Downdraft 1985 to 1988.5

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  1. joe sackey

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    Breakfast meet in the fog and mist at the Lairhillock, Scotland, featuring a variety of Scottish Supercars.

    Fish-eye lens makes the car look distorted!
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    German-based car with aluminized sport exhaust.

    The last 3 images Ive posted of 3 different cars shows that the paint on the bull badge seems to fade over time, unlike the Lamborghini Countach Quattrovalvole script.
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    Where in VIC do you think this place is at? I would love to visit it!
     
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    The DD is the ultimate evolution of the mechanical automobile. Period.

    The FI was the beginning of a new period where computers etc. would be the norm.

    If you drive them (well tuned and sorted) back to back there is absolutely no question to which is more exciting to drive . Not fast by today's standards but both are exciting , the DD more so.

    Pull up to the car show and non car people do not care which variant you have.

    But when you are around car people , collectors and those in the know...we know the answer to that.

    I have spent enough time with both variants to give an honest opinion I believe.

    Downdraft Countach is the last of an entire era of automobiles, never to be repeated, the king.
     
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    In the Sport Auto (D) magazine duel test of QV and Testarossa they reported top speed without wing of only 289 kmh
     
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    Actually, the mean top speed for the Sport Auto test was a little less, it was 287 kmh.
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    Finally, an unbiased report from someone who owns & operates BOTH Downdraft (s) and Fuelie (s), thank you for putting it in perspective.
     
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    Thank you for sharing, I bet this DD was driven as fast as it could go on those Northern Territory roads!

    $699k AUS is about $541k US so it appears to be a fair enough ask for a well-used example.

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    Pedals?
     
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    I just dont see where a DD, as this one, (or anyone for that matter) is a fair ask at $541 US Funds.. Is it because its RHD drive and such examples are harder to come by over a LHD...so supply and demand, A RHD is more $$$ then a LHD. Or is just the fact its a DD?

    If its just the fact of the DD..I guess its being said that a "average ask" of $541K is correct..to be priced over a "comparable example" 89/90 Anniversary car, or any 5000QV FI car by from my looks around the market by almost $200K?

    I just dont see a DD worth $200K more then a FI car??
     
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    Importation taxes would now add 10% GST, 10% duty plus the permit hassle. Plus, I believe, the Luxury Car Tax (LCT) which is 33% of the value over $57,466. Not 100% sure if the LCT would be applicable in this case.

    Although the duty would now be waived due to exceeding 30 years old, odds are the importation taxes would have been much higher assuming it was imported years ago.

    In oz, yes.

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    I'm finding that RHD & LHD Downdrafts appear to bringing around the same in the UK, being involved with the sale of a RHD car there. As Mick says, in Australia its different.

    As regards actual sales numbers for Left Hand Drive Downdrafts, I've achieved $645,000 for GLA12858 and just under $700,000 for FLA12835. Those are actual paid-for sales.

    As regards asking prices for Left Hand Drive Downdrafts, there is JLA12295 which asks $644,000, and JLA12305 (delovery 95 miles) which asks $1,120,000.

    FWIW I just saw that Jean Guikas has already sold his JLA12305 (his website says "SOLD") so I'll ask him what he achieved, with the understanding that this one would be an 'outlier' result given that it is a delivery-mileage car.
     
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    I think that car will stay in Australia or New Zealand, if it goes anywhere, it'll be Hong Kong (this based on recent observation).
     
  20. PineChris

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    I dont own both, but I do have quite a bit of experience with both. I realise different people will gravitate to one or the other depending on their specific needs. Certainly if you drive a DD in all its glory compared to an F/I with factory emissions equipment you will walk away preferring the DD. U.S emissions equipment strangle the Countach.

    Additionally, its certain that carbed cars are more fussy than their F/I counterparts. If you live in high altitude regions, or drive in areas with wildly varying altitudes and temps, you will certainly see changes in the cars behavior. Plenty of road-tests have also pointed to issues with carbed cars, including the Car and Driver test which referred to their EURO DD as "sickly" and doubting that all 449 horses where present. The car only reached a 166mph top speed. Another one in the U.S. that issues was the Countach vs Boxer test where on two separate occasions they had issues.

    That being said from purely a performance standpoint and for some ****s and giggles, Im working on putting together a few side by side runs between a DD and F/I to see what happens. Maybe even some sound comparisons etc.
     
  21. geno berns

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    You don't see it but the market speaks. There are a few cars out there with large variation in value for what most with perceive as similar models. The DD is the "big block" of Countaches. The power plant is unique and with no other engine design like it, that has to be the leading indicator of value.


    QUOTE=roytoy2003;144633056]I just dont see where a DD, as this one, (or anyone for that matter) is a fair ask at $541 US Funds.. Is it because its RHD drive and such examples are harder to come by over a LHD...so supply and demand, A RHD is more $$$ then a LHD. Or is just the fact its a DD?

    If its just the fact of the DD..I guess its being said that a "average ask" of $541K is correct..to be priced over a "comparable example" 89/90 Anniversary car, or any 5000QV FI car by from my looks around the market by almost $200K?

    I just dont see a DD worth $200K more then a FI car??[/QUOTE]
     
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    The market speaks,an item is only worth what someone is willing to pay.that being said, there is a hint of missleading information in the market being a lot of classics are traded thru brokers, to clients who will buy whatewer the brokers tell them to buy,sad but true,iow ,Sir you need to buy a dd ,instead of recomend the car as a QV in genreral.
     
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    DD is the only QV avail in Eourope, i o w ,if the British market where fi cars ,the top ten canditate would simply be refered to as a QV, dont think i ever heard the term DD in any old test,they where simply refered to as QV , the new and improved 4valve Countach, this is where i m h o, the market missleads, as stated many times, its a QV, some with carbs,some with fuel injection, had The German market had their choice back in the time between Boschand weber, i think we all know the answer.
     
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    That's an important attribute, which many are realizing.
     
  25. Ellagirl

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    octane Magazine had an Articel where they compared the Testarossa and the Qv,in wich the testarossa von (80s super car king) John Simister .the driver praised the Testarossa for its ease of operation,where tho Countach was a lot of work to even mowe forward in a smooth eforthless manner, ( a silly comment, also totally wrong guy for the job) that being said ,the Countach would have done better,i m o, with the characteristics of the fi.
     

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