2016 FORMULA 1 PIRELLI CHINESE GRAND PRIX RACE *** SPOILERS ***

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Hooray! - I got there in the end!

Right, back to business:

So how is Seb to blame for that?

What was he supposed to do?:

1) Slam the brakes on and cause a massive pile up behind him?

Or:

2) Disappear into thin air?

Sorry to all the "blame Seb" posters, but this all comes down to Kimi locking up, running wide and then driving back across Sebs path - Seb had nowhere to go!

 

Wait so Kvyat did what Bottas did last week and he's innocent but BOT wasn't. Phil I don't remember exactly what you thought about BOT but I thought you were in the camp that he messed up. You cannot defend DK doing the same move.


If I have that backwards then disregard lol. Cheers!

 

^^^ Good job Phil!

Pretty much covers it IMO too.

We also need to remember that the whole thing occurred in what, 3 or 4 seconds.... Certainly less time than it takes us to study the pix and/or watch the slo-mo replays etc.

"Racing incident." Nothing to see here, move along.....

Cheers,
Ian

 

You can see in the 3rd set pics, 3rd one over that Seb tried to give Kyvat room... But look at Kyvat... where the cars are ahead of him. There was no way he was going to make that corner hugging the inside. He would have drifted way wide and hit someone... forced them off the track or would've have to jam the brakes and slow dramatically to make that corner a tight one.

I'm all for aggressive driving, but I'm pretty sure you don't get to decide, "Hey... I want this line or want to my car here... you're in the way... so I'll just either bang into you or force you into an accident."

I just think these guys who fly up the inside at full speed are not the better drivers because they can't hold the corner. it works on certain tracks...this was never going to be one of them. Looking at this even more... I'm starting to think Kimi was just as much at fault if anyone. He sort of cut across Seb. I don't remember seeing what was on his left but he should've seen Seb there and should have gave him a bit of room.

 

Exactly the way I see it.

You seem to be the voice of reason around here.

 

Don't think I've ever read "Phil" & "the voice of reason" in the same sentence before!



Cheers,
Ian

 

Agreed, I watch the replay so many times - I would argue it was even less then 3 or 4 seconds - in a scrum like this - it's very difficult to get out unscathed...

I do agree ultimately it was Seb's fault, but it was not negligence or over zealousness in my opinion. Just a hard situation of any driver to escape.

I agree w/ Ian, I think "racing incident" is proper call

 

Oh really?

The old "what could have happened" ploy as if fact.

Kvyat not Kyvat.

 

Ouch!!

 

I've only ever heard it in My own head! - It's kind of scary to have other people saying it!

Now do I need to worry that others are starting to think the way I think? - Or should others worry that they're starting to think the way I think?

Cue the music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVSRm80WzZk

 

I will chance a guess that it is the latter. (Did I just jump into the sandbox uninvited....again!?

 

I think it was one of those situations that couldn't avoid a damage regardless. If Vettel tried to break at that time he would have defiantly gotten rear ended. He got cought in a bad spot.

 

I agree with Phil also, and that was my take from the first replays. Vettel left a car's width + 1 m or so on the inside, an open invitation to Kvyat. Kimi ran wide because of his own too-late braking.

Kvyat got alongside and ahead of Vettel, all the while Vettel left the meter wide gap to Kvyat. No problem.

Kimi angled back on to the track, squeezing Vettel. Kvyat continued to hold the inside line on the kerb (unlike Bottas, who was going too fast into the corner and was unable to hold an inside line). Nowhere for Vettel to go.

Sure, Kvyat tracked out on exiting the corner - that's the racing line, all the cars do that. He was ahead by a car length at that point, he was perfectly entitled to drive that line. Anyone wanting to drive up along the outside is responsible for avoiding the car ahead. Kvyat didn't run too wide, he drove the line to which he was entitled. No fault at all to Kvyat. It was a GREAT move.

 

I'm pretty much on the record as saying it's a racing deal... an unfortunate one but still a racing deal. I think between the 3 of them Seb had the least input.

 

I agree it was simply a racing incident, on to the next race.

 

Everyone has you on ignore.

 

Quite clear from the photos:

- Vettel left a massive gap on his inside.

- Kvyat exploited that opportunity to go inside Vettel.

- Raikkonen seems to have gone wide and come back to cut Vettel's line.


I cannot see how Kvyat can be accused of anything.

 

The only thing I would say is that Kvyat was fighting a lot of understeer on the exit of turn 1 and sliding wide on cold tyres, which would indicate to Me that he carried a bit too much speed into the corner as it tightened up going into turn 2.

Saying that though, the gap Seb left on the inside was irresistible to any racing driver and was there for the taking, and Kimi was already cutting across Seb as Kvyat started to slide wide - Hence the wedge that Seb found himself in.

Kvyat was a distraction for Seb but not really at fault - Had Kimi left a sensible amount of room for Seb rather than desperately trying to get back on the racing line to prevent other cars from getting past him, then all three cars would probably have come out unscathed.

Kimi on the other hand was silly to cut back across the track into Seb, and pretty reckless when he rejoined after being bumped completely off track.

As I say, I can understand Sebs thoughts about what he thought had happened, and I can see how his mind would have changed later on (the playful shove of Kvyat by Seb in the "press-pen" indicated that there were no hard feelings).

I'll also give Kvyat credit for how he handled the situation with Seb behind the podium - Very calm, without inflaming the situation or being antagonistic in any way, and with a clear explanation of how he saw it.

It's all too easy to see Seb's reaction as being a bit childish and unprofessional, but with all the adrenalin and effort that goes with racing an F1 car, I can see why he was thinking that way, especially when he was convinced he knew (incorrectly as it turned out), as to what had happened.

At the end of the day, it was a racing incident that was triggered by Kimi locking up!

 

Hulkenberg given 2 point penalty for slow pit entrance;

Hulkenberg given penalty points for pit entry misdemeanour


My question; how did he know to slow if Radio assistance is forbidden ?

 

I'm happy to play with everyone on here!


(The "voice of reason" thing has scared Me a bit though! - I'd say when you find yourself agreeing with Me, it's probably a good time to check your sanity! )

 

True sanity is not a human trait especially regarding F1.

"If it is not too much trouble could you hand me that pit sign?"

 

That's kinda what I was getting at!

Cheers,
Ian