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Countach Downdraft 1985 to 1988.5

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  1. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    "DD" is simply a moniker a nickname invented by Countach enthusiasts about 10 years ago, and its stuck.

    When I first heard it, it sounded odd, but I got used to it. Myself I prefer "Downdraft", an apt description of the car's main attribute, but DD is apt in a modern world of abbreviations.

    Enthusiasts in contemporary times can refer to cars by whatever name they like, just like the Countach FI, or Countach Periscopa, neither of which was referenced as such in the old tests.
     
  2. cnpapa24

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    Sorry, but this is not a new phenomenon. The DD has always held a significant premium to the FI QV. Look at values 4-5 years ago and a similar premium would apply.
     
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    How about starting a QV FI thread where you could extol all of the characteristics of this variant?
     
  4. Ellagirl

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    We agree, no doubt the market speaks,but is very manipulated( i know guys who buys cares based on brokers) 5 years ago there where lots of good deals on both variants,
     
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    Please post the article in order to provide something tangible & meaningful.I read everything on the cars, and I don't recall this one.

    That said, personally, I think the Countach in any 5-liter guise has to be one of the smoothest cars to move off the line (compared to say the F40) and in that regard, I think it would have made no difference if an FI car was used. A well-tuned carb Countach just takes off, as many carb-Countach owners reading this will affirm.
     
  6. Ellagirl

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    I do like the nick name DD
     
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    WHAT A GREAT IDEA! :eek: That is pure genius! I cannot imagine why that did not cross my mind before :D
     
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    Correct.
     
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    To me they are QVs period
     
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    You are right, I do this all the time, and as much as possible, its what I do, buy this, don't buy that, its the way my business works as a consultant. Its not misleading, its honest. But I think you forgot to mention an important factor: I deal with very astute people who examine the recommendation, and then make up their own minds.
     
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    I will dig thru my pile, front page Octane,headline 80s supercar or close to it ,aprox a year or so ago ,give mesome time i will find it
     
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    That will be fun to see.

    But you know what's going to happen, don't you? :)

    The carb crowd will say the FI has been modified with removal of cats etc.

    As you pointed out, "Certainly if you drive a DD in all its glory compared to an F/I with factory emissions equipment you will walk away preferring the DD. U.S emissions equipment strangle the Countach."

    So, the only way the FI will be in this test will be in modified form, and as we know, we can modify anything to perform better.

    Questions will be asked about the cars specifications, temperature, altitude, revs used, driver experience, and on & on.

    My point is, it wont settle anything.

    After all, even the period tests by experienced testers are the subject of much controversy, so I'm betting this will be even more so.
     
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    So you agree that a DD compared to an equal FI car is worth $200K more??

    If so, can you tell us all which DD you currently are restoring???
     
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    I do not question your honesty,you definetly like the dd, thats fair, therefore you will recomend it, perhaps some of your clients would buy the fi ,if it was recomended , you are an important person in this market,in many people s mind,incl mine
     
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    Take all the time you need.
     
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    Because certain "Brokers" in this field do not have a FI car coming up for sale that they have invested in....pretty easy math/
     
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    FWIW I owned two FIs, and started a thread on the 25th and extolled the virtues of the FI engine.
     
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    Roy - I would say for me it is. An FI Countach is not a car I would consider. It is nothing against anyone who has a FI Countach, it's just my personal taste. I don't feel FI is the way the Countach was intended to be, it was made an FI car to meet certain regulations. In fact, my preference throughout my collection is carbureted cars. This is not limited to the Countach; I prefer my carbureted 308s and Boxers to the fuel injected variants and I have owned both.

    I am not restoring a DD, I am restoring an LP400 S3. I do own a DD and it's not going anywhere.
     
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    #2594 roytoy2003, Apr 18, 2016
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    BS...we all know that it is what a "buyers" talked into, what a "Broker" wants to sell on any given day...we are all SALESMEN!

    FI or DD, Ferrari or Lamborghini, new or old, 2 door or 4 door....lets all be honest here...

    ITS WHAT ever I or someone else has in stock that needs to be moved down the road to bring cash into the house.. PERIOD>

    AND if ANY BUYER out there thinks ANY of us, JOE, ME, E BAY, BRIAN, and ALL the other "Vehicle sellers" out there are ONLY selling a car that WE GUARANTEE to be a appreciating asset...BS BS BS....we need to feed our family's just as you do in your business.

    Well, In guess I am the first honest "Dealer, Broker" to tell you all BS BS BS..WE all sell what we have ins stock...I just hope you enjoy it and rive it...because NO ONE can tell you where the market will be tomorrow..and if you are buying a car to make money....you are sadly going to fail.....BUY it cause you like it and want to drive it BEFORE you DIE or BEFORE your "loving wife" divorces you and takes it all...

    IT IS A frickn CAR not a GOD...you were born naked and broke...DIE naked and broke...but at LEAST do it having driven your POSTER car a COUNTACH!!

    Because ALL the POSTERS I have ever seen where from the SIDE..and I for ONE NEVER ever ever ever KNEW the difference between a "DD" and A "FI"...all I recall was Farett Facwett looking back at me with those great eyes in her Red one piece Swimsuit...and THATS all that mattered me...THEN and NOW!!

    Drive the Dream, not the 'So called Reality"
     
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    So, still, can you answer...DO YOU think a DD is worth $200K plus over a FI comparable Countach on today's market..

    YES or NO
     
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    Issue110 aug 2012 ,he gives the Countach rewards for a big powerful engine, and explosive power,but needs a lot of effort to move along in traffic, or to do anything, pretty shure he made up his mind before he even drove the cars, he is not a Lambo guy,also complained reg the clutch,wich i find as easy as any 80s 911.anyway .anyway wrong verdict, i driven both ,more than most people.
     
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    Sorry, I thought my last answer was clear: yes. To others it may not be and so an FI Countach would be considered a great value. In fact, you also saw the DD as a 2 to 1 premium a few years back - http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/141221076-post4.html - have you changed your view on this? It's no different than a Euro dry sump 308 getting a premium over a wet sump US spec 308.



    I am not sure why people are getting defensive and think this is the bash the FI thread rather than the praise the Countach Downdraft thread.
     
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    Thanks for posting this..it appears I am saying a DD is worth $75K over a comparable FI car...NOT $200K over...but maybe MY math is off..?
     
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    You had the DD at $100k premium when the FI was worth $100k and the DD was $200k, so I would think it not out of line to see the a $200k or more premium at today's values. Your opinion is certainly appreciated and you have some terrific Countaches on the market of varying variants.

    My opinion is only that; I'm sure it has no bearing on the market
     
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