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Countach Downdraft 1985 to 1988.5

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  1. joe sackey

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    John, I have to give you the credit for predicting a million dollar DD, and now it has happened with the sale of JLA12305 1988 LAMBORGHINI COUNTACH 5000 QV which anyone can confirm directly from Jean Guikas himself.
     
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    #2627 joe sackey, Apr 19, 2016
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    The FIA Homologation of the DD cars is very important, and I say this based on what we have seen with manufacturers such as Ferrari's 288 GTO and Porsche's 930.
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    Alex, I believe that the success of the DD in terms of a re-discovery amongst typically non-Lamborghini collectors (all who are asking me for DDs recently are in fact known Ferrari collectors for example) is a good thing that will help all Countach variants. Everyone benefits, I really believe that.
     
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    #2629 Robert W, Apr 19, 2016
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    .....driving home this evening my mirrors were filled by a Countach QV. I let him pass the had a very happy 20 minutes driving along behind Harry with his very high looking wing......the view I had was like this except with more noise.....heaven!
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    That's not true, at least not for me!

    NOBODY EVER approaches me and says, "I just want a QV, doesn't matter if its a DD or FI". The only time that happens for me is never!

    The type of people who seek my services are very astute, knowledgeable and thoughtful enthusiasts & collectors. They know exactly what they want. Each time I have sold a DD, its because that is what I have been specifically asked for.

    I do have people approach me and say I'd like a particular color, or, a carburetted Countach, but when it comes to the DD, they are very specific. The only times I have been asked to provide FI cars as a preference has been with the 25th, and that's one of the things that motivated me to start that thread. The times when I say to a client "don't buy this..." would be cause I know of a BETTER conditioned car for the same price, naturally!

    If someone asked me for a FI and I knew of a good one, of course I'd recommend it.
     
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    Today was good day!
     
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    #2632 joe sackey, Apr 19, 2016
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    That is a great attitude, kudos to you.

    I have personally owned multiples of every single variant produced (I'm sure some are tired of hearing this!) and I only mention it again because that experience gives you perspective that so few people seem to have with these cars.

    They all have their place, their strengths & weaknesses, the ideal scenario is to get them all, and I have one client who has done just that.

    This thread is to celebrate the DD, so, we are doing just that! We can hardly be expected to celebrate something that is off-topic to this thread! I started this thread because i realized that the DD was the factory' chosen FIA Homologation car, it was the factory's chose car for the DGM illustrations (below), it was the factory's chosen Super Countach development car, it was basically the no-compromise QV iteration, and surely anyone reasonable has to accept that.
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    #2636 joe sackey, Apr 19, 2016
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    That's a good way of putting it.

    I also think that most if not all DD owners are very respectful of the benefits of the FI car, so hopefully the reverse can prevail.
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    #2640 joe sackey, Apr 19, 2016
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    A lot has been said in the last few days, without mentioning any names, here are some PM's and emails Ive received regarding the variant that is the topic if this thread:

    "This is a celebration thread that I thank you for creating and especially for discovering the FIA documents. Thats just a giant WOW. I look at the Lamborghini Miura and Countach as in a league of their own. Outkasted for a time, but technically so innovative and different that they were bound to be rediscovered for what they are. I mark the P400-DD as the peak at Lambo and maybe even in sports cars in general. I think you have shed the light in a very amazing way over the years and I have learned a lot from these threads."

    &

    "The DD is the ultimate expression of what Lamborghini invented ...the Supercar ...the dream of all dreams, more important than any fantasy for a sixteen year old car loving boy of the 80's ..."

    IMO, the passion for this variant is so string it'll never wane, its like nothing Ive seen before.

    With his already-approved permission, the bottom quote by a collector who has both QV variants will be used in the upcoming Octane magazine
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    Collected my QV from Mike today and the high speed stability problem I was suffering from is sorted but the reason behind it is not such good news for fellow Countach owners.

    Mike started by checking over the suspension components and then the geometry on my car. All was good, so it had to be either the newish Pirelli tyres or the electric power steering causing the problem.

    He then fitted a set of wheels from another Countach he had in, equipped with a set of 60% worn Yokohama AVS tyres. The results was remarkable. I took the QV up to big speeds and made sharp left/right movements on the steering wheel and the car immediately responded, with none of the unnerving secondary 'slop' that I had been experiencing on the Pirellis up until now.

    So it looks like the handling problem was all down to the new set of Pirelli P-Zero tyres I fitted back in 2013. It always felt to me like the tyre treads were moving around, I suspect the compound on the latest sets of Pirellis is far softer than the one originally used, as the tyres still have high levels of outright grip but this additional movement happening between the road surface and the tyre carcass is not good from a driving point of view, so I will speak to Pirelli about it in the morning.

    Mike said he'd recently had another Countach in with new tyres and the same problem, the owner was convinced it was a problem with the steering rack but when they changed the tyres back to an old set, it got rid of the problem altogether.

    My issue now is what tyres to replace these Pirellis with, as I don't believe the Yokohama AVS is still available in the right size for a Countach anymore, so I might try going back to Hankook Ventus I was using at the front before (which were great but increased steering loads a fair bit) and maybe an old set of Pirellis on the rear.

    All a bit of a bore really, but I pleased it wasn't the electric power steering causing the problem, as its really nice to live with and didn't want to bin it unless I really had to.

    I will report back once I've spoken with Pirelli, I hope there's an easy solution, maybe it's time for the longed hoped for P7 performance tyre to appear..
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    As Ive always said, this car wasn't designed around the PZero tread-pattern, it was designed around the P7 tread-pattern, a new version of which I believe is not far off
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    Airbox finish and intake tubes / hoses? Valve cover finish looks slightly off but could be the lighting.
     
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    I belive the one to the left has a slightly deeper tread pattern,
     
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    Always thought your car was wingless
     
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    As a further reference for comps, two DDs were sold by Autosport Designs in 2015 comfortably north of the $600K mark, both of which had some level of needs.

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    We also all know of Geno's white DD that required a full restoration that sold on ebay at $435K, which also puts you well north of $600K when done, plus the two years or so of restoration time.

    All were sold prior to the start of this thread and discovery of the FIA Homologatoin, so the numbers at which Joe sold the last two cars seem in line given the level of those cars.

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    HA!
     
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    Hi Emilio,

    The 308 GTB is fantastic! Thanks for your help on that one.

    Best,

    Chris
     
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    That is correct, both FLA12842 & GLA12948 achieved over $600,000 each as sold by Tom before this thread was a figment of my imagination
     

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