RS7 for FF

after i got my f12 i sold my rs7 and bought a RangeRover. I have my dealers first allocation of the new Lusso but never drove the FF. The ferrari v12 is music to your ears and the handling will be light years better than the audi. Just my .02

 

Welcome. We don't own the RS7 but I have enjoyed driving one quite a bit. The Audi is an Audi, so it's solid and a bit of a truck feeling w the Quattro. The 4 door is easier to get in and out of. It's civilized. Even when pushed. The Audi is less fun/less exciting and less of an experience. Ferrari is Ferrari, you really can't compare the driving experience (or the interior IMO). The FF feels smaller and lighter from the drivers position by more than the numbers would suggest, go drive one. And the FF drives with a rear wheel feel, it's very hard to notice the 4RM working, but still has it working so there is that solid feeling of traction. The FF lacks in the radio/touchscreen department as is well known, but I don't use it. I drive the car, enjoy the engine and the experience with others. Can't see you regretting the move.

Is there anything about the RS7 you are afraid to lose? How tuned is your car? Stage 2 RS7s at 700HP are super fast, beyond the FF.

 

If you like turbo kick the FF is maybe not for you. The FF has the NA power band, and we who love that don't like the 'second engine" feeling of the turbo kick. A turbo to me is like driving two cars at once. Annoying, and not integrated. And the new turbos that are more integrated, are still small engine cars. 458 over 488 for me, for example. YMMV.

The Comfort mode is comfortable, but it's still a Ferrari. Many people do long trips, and we never get out of the car tired. It's a unique car for unique people, it's not an Audi feeling ever. I have done 12 hour days in the car, not a problem, wanted to drive it the next day. It's a race car for the street with passengers and in all weather. Truly meets those aims.

Tire pressure changes the feel of the FF quite a lot. Factory pressures are low, comfort oriented. You can do higher pressure by 5-7 PSI and make the Sport/Comfort gap even wider.

You're right, it's not that loud in the cabin as stock. Crack the window and drop a gear and you're good. Although the top end is not a screamer like the F12 really ever. There are many online videos that sound right and honest to me with people in the FF. Good news is, there are many aftermarket options. Fi is loudest most F1 like, Capristo is deeper at low revs then a bit of a scream up top, Novatec is the most money and sounds good, but not my first choice. Others out there too.

It's obviously a great first Ferrari as an all around driver, and a 400k car under 200 now in many cases. More miles, more environments, more enjoyment, I bet.

 

I am actually also in the market for a FF. I have the same comments that the OP. It has great solid handling, luxurious, comfort and not much sound in the cabin. Brian is right, we may need to add an aftermarket exhaust. He is a sound master. There won't be turbo kicks in the FF and if you like turbo FF isn't the right car.

 

The Lusso drop has begun with more cars on the market and is ongoing but not dramatic. 2012s are 190 if really nice, less if lesser build, miles, history.

The problem with a 'cheaper' Ferrari with stories and a lesser build is not buying it but selling it. Buyer beware of the low end.

 

I thought you mentioned using it to pickup your kids is nice. A 458 isn't going to do that.
I had the same thought but eventually decided FF is right. Besides, it feels very close to a F12.

 

I think you can find a nice used F12 for 310K. I was told depending on the color.
I have see a 2015 FF for 250K with very low miles but no pano roof. 14 without pano and LED wheel can be as low as 220.

 

i dd rs7 , with a 458/ best combo ever..

 

But....RS7 isn't as sexy as an FF. : )

 

There is a nice TDF F12 in Chicago under $300k.

 

Wow. I know Long Island also has a TDF sitting.

 

Seeing that you don't mind modifying your cars, you could install the Novitec Stage 2 pack for the FF. That'll put you at 694 hp. Of course you don't get the bottom end torque of the turbos, but I'd say it's a noticeable power increase. The power to weight ratio of a stock FF is already a tick better at 6.367 lbs. per bhp. than the RS7 with 680 bhp at 6,58 lbs. per bhp. The FF with an upgrade it will be even more so. I haven't driven an RS7 and I know specs don't always tell the whole story, but I'd think the FF would be the faster of the two overall, specially with the Novitec Stage 2 upgrade.

 

Audi just started selling S8 Plus and RS7 Performance, both with 605HP and 556lbs torque.
C&D tested S8 getting 0-60 in 3.3, qt mile in mid 11s.
They estimate the RS7 3.0sec.
Speaking of modifying, RS7 with APR stage 2 (about $4k) gets qt mile under 11s with trap about 130.
FF does not transfer the power to the tarmac as well as Quattro and would have trouble with these 2 above, stock or Novitec modded as well.
Of course, neither Audi sounds as well nor pulls emotional strings as well as the F car.

 

All true, and yet, straight line times are only important on the straights. Overall driving of the FF is still far better, lower CG, lighter, and not the truck transmission vibe. Feels smaller than it's weight. Can we really compare a modern Audi to a modern Ferrari? I don't think it's even close

 

I've raced many rs7 and rs6s in my FF and the FF will out run them slightly. If the RS is mildly tuned, it's a close match. A heavy tune and the RS will pull the FF ever so slightly.

The RS has so much body roll it's comical. They're just not quite as stable as the FF in the twisties.

At no point does the sound of the RS even compare to the FF.

Sure the FF has less tq down low due to it being NA. However that's what actions flips of the left paddle, the DCT and 7500 rpm are for.

Speaking of the DCT. In the FF you do not need to shift 500rpm before your intended shift point as in the RS at wot.

The RS is much easier to get in and out of for passengers.

Smaller kids fit better in the RS as there is more rear legroom. Kids feet in small seats stick forward instead of down as they're too short.

If you're in snow you'll appreciate the RS having full time AWD as opposed to it being only in to 4th gear in the FF. I'll find myself cruising at high rpm on the autobahn to keep AWD engaged in the FF on heavy snow days.

The tech and Nav may be easier to use in the RS but not light years ahead by any means.

The FF is more of an event to drive, better handling and looks better in my opinion. The RS is more practical and user friendly.

 

A Ferrari is a Ferrari. You said it. It's more about emotion than numbers and depreciations which I analyzed all day long before. So emotional that I am buying one today. Waiting for you to join the club.

 

Total apples and oranges. The RS7 is a boulevard cruiser that is designed to also go fast. It is no sharp-edged racer but it is amazingly competent, comfortable and user-friendly. Just a great cabin to spend time in. The FF is a Ferrari. First and foremost, a racy, hard-edged sports car -- that just happens to have usable rear seats. The RS7 is utilitarian but enough performance to make you smile. The FF is a work of art that's utilitarian enough to live with. Depends on what you want. They are not interchangeable in any respect.

 

I concur 100%. I use a new RS7 as a daily driver and love it and getting an F12 as my weekend car and have had Lambos and McLaren as priors so Patek has it pegged perfectly. RS7 is made to be a fast and competent daily driver to the office and back but with a V12 you will have fun on the track, and look great doing it.