Do you guys think the F355 is topped out now or do you think they will keep rising?
I don't think anyone can answer that with any kind of accuracy. I say this because for years there have been many threads on many forums with people taking great delight in saying 355s will never increase in value. Although some were saying they will a little bit in maybe 20 years time. How wrong they were, it's weird how it's working out.
There are so many 355s that have had a hard life and/or owners that can't afford upkeep that the market will split between mint and the rest UNTIL (if it very occurs) they are valuable enough to restore. In certain markets eg UK the F1 gearbox is a big turn off, early generation tech and slow shifts.
I really need to do an in car camera video of my car.....It shifts so quick you think your head will pop off.... Never understood comments like this regarding the F1. You must not have been in a good one. Robb Williamson and GerryD have both driven my car - ask them if it shifts slow Not the best representation (I need one inside the car) [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvHfK8yFlz8[/ame]
Were you lifting on the shifts? I only ask because I think my manual shifts are about the same speed, at least on-track, and I wonder if it's faster if you leave it foot to the floor. The big benefit is the footwork imo, a lot tougher to modulate the brakes when you're blipping the throttle with the side of your foot as opposed to lfb. Also a lot quicker to transition between brake/throttle and easier to jab the throttle under brakes to settle the rear of the car when you don't have to work both pedals with one foot. No missed shifts, either. I think the 360/430 cars are slightly quicker shifting, but the 355 setup responds more instantly because the car doesn't also have to work the throttle. Those that denigrate it probably don't realize it didn't change much in the 360 and 430, just they had more systems integrated with it (throttle by wire added in the 360 and active diff added in the 430).
Pete, no, I was not lifting my foot (off the gas). I was not WOT either. That road has a slight uphill grade and I also went back and forth about 20 times as my buddy was using my cell to record and he screwed a few up - so I was getting nervous that I was drawing attention (the wrong kind) That is just not the best representation. Often, I break the tires loose 1-2 and 2-3. Next time I'm out with a buddy in the car (in the proper area), I will make a much better one.
I can verify Dave's car is properly set up and is very quick to shift. I was happy driving his car. Robb
Spoken like a person that never drove one Seems we have lots of those around here...and over there apparently.
+1 I don't understand when people say the 355F1 shifts slow,I think it's because they have been in a car were the driver is lifting of on his foot..or there is a problem with the car. My car with the 360 pump update would shift so fast at 8.5k rpm you would think the car is going to snap in half..lol To be honest i think that a 355F1 system with a 360 pump set up right shifts harder than a 360.
Sounds like it pulls all the ignition timing the shifts^ Would be interesting to have a data log of it at WOT.
I like both, I like classic clicking of the manual stick with the harmony of the depressed clutch and throttle, all equils satisfaction. However the f1 system allows you to snatch that gear when you suddenly see an overtaking gap and instantly go for it without fumbeling around for the gear stick.
I agree. I have both and they are both great for different reasons. There is no "slow" in F1 / /DSC. Just fast and faster.
It is impossible to shift as fast with a manual 6 speed as the f1 in the 355. I contend that the 355 F 1 to be a very desirable car to own in the future because of its simplicity, ease to work on, low cost of parts ( if you know where to get them), it is actually a manual transmission etc... I have never understood the upgrade to the 360 pump either, the difference is not noticeable. Personally, I lift the foot slightly (ever so slightly) during up shifts and it is perfection. The market is behind the curve here. The F1 is awesome and the market will wake up in time.
F1s are awesome. As are all 355s. Since this is the market thread, let me get things back on track by pointing out a private listing which is local to me. 1998 F1 Berlinetta. 16k miles. Just had over $17k in service work at Competizione. 96k, obo. Let me know if you're interested and I will put you in touch with the owner. Image Unavailable, Please Login
And, this one had stickies refinished by us - so it's got the nice laser etched vent arrows and lines .................................................................................................. (sorry, shameless self plug)
People can talk about shift speed all they want but in my opinion, if there is an F1 worth owning, it's the 355 F1. It's a mechanical system that's way more driver involved than any of the other F1's. No fly by wire throttle and you still have to drive it.
I agree that the F1 prices are below where they should be, but in general, I don't think we will ever see F1 price eclipse those of manual .....much of the reason for owning cars like this is linked to the human connection to it, and you just can't beat a manual box for that (goes for any Ferrari). From a simple collector/investment perspective, nostalgia sells. I am tempted every day to go for a 360 Challenge Stradale ..... but every time i go to pull the trigger , something niggles me that Ferrari missed a trick with this model by not going with a manual ...... now how much would these be worth, had they had done it properly??! BR, Jez BR, Jez
Not impossible, and, challenge accepted -Above 7000 rpm with the right foot to the floor, sport shifts are completed in less than 0.2 second at the speed of a professional driver driving to the limit of his ability, Ferrari says.
What the hell is the proper way to shift in an f1 anyways? I lift up on the gas a bit, similar to how I would in a manual, to get a smooth transition. I feel if you keep the gas pedal down during a shift the car is very jerky. That can't be healthy for the clutch. Perhaps you get a faster "shift" speed, but a slower lap time because of the jerkiness.
You don't notice how quick the prime time is on a 360 pump update? If not then something is wrong with the update.stock pump when cold 9 to 16 blinks,360 pump update 3 to 6 blinks.
100% agreed. -Rare -Development for road car first -A development that took hold in the marketplace -looks fast and is fast All 355s are awesome as we know. The market will reward F1 owners in time.
What a load of utter bollocks. Several of the highest priced and sold cars recently in the UK have been F1s.
All of these F1 vs. gated valuation arguments are just emotions and speculation without actual data, does someone have the actual data of the last comparable sales in the country they are discussing valuations that they can post? I know it is difficult, as a fair amount of the sales are not of comparable quality and mileage, but it would be interesting to see what the real actual market valuations of each are rather than our argument that what we own is with the most. It would be good to know what the true valuation trend is for Berlinetta, GTS and Spider as well.
