2016 FORMULA 1 RUSSIAN GRAND PRIX: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

You probably mean the "We're safe mode". The cruise mode used when they've safely reached the third corner after race start, away from the Maldonado's and Danny Fiats.

Since Merc. swapped the technicians Hamiltons 2014/2015 cruise mode now seems to be installed on Rosbergs car.

 

+1

They've got;

- "Kick ass" mode &
- "Normal" mode &
- "Safe" mode.

But they don't actually change anything meaningful, like consumption, or engine mapping etc.

Cheers,
Ian

 

here's another conspiracy: Why was Vettel classified ahead of Haryanto? Just watched some in car footage on the F1 app, and for what it's worth, Haryanto got smoked by Hulk in turn 2, and then limped on around turn 3, past Vettel, before coming to a stop and DNF. Boy, yeah, those Manor guys got shafted on that one!

(the above post is meant to be a breath of fresh air after hearing all the Mercedes HAM conspiracy theory crap, surely it doesn't matter where they are classified if they DNF on lap one, but honestly, come on F1, Haryanto went further than Vettel in this case)

 

Hmmm.. thanks for bringing it up. Gonna watch the race again.

 

As always, I'm out of date, but my understanding was always that your 'finishing' position was fixed as of the end of the previous lap; in this case of course, that means your starting position.

That Haryanto went a little further is irrelevant. Had he completed a lap, he'd have been ahead.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Lolololol

/thread
/season

 

ah yeah, forgot about that rule. :/

 

Fast Ian,
thanks for pointing that out! that makes sense.

In the FIA rulebook for 2016, this probably applies too:
45.2 Cars having covered less than 90% of the number of laps covered by the winner (rounded down to the nearest whole number of laps), will not be classified.

 

Radio transcript (How little was said?! I quite enjoy the radios...)

2016 Russian Grand Prix team radio transcript · F1 Fanatic

Interesting is this:

33 To Lewis Hamilton Affirm Lewis, we’ve got a bit on at the moment mate. so Lewis it looks lke we’ve got a water pressure issue, water pressure issue.
39 To Lewis Hamilton Lewis the situation has stabilised.

Curiously, it seems he wasn't driving with no water pressure at all, and definitely not for 16 laps!

 

It's not the first time he's lied and it probably won't be the last.

 

Huh?

Lewis said nothing! The team got Charlie's approval to let him know he had a water pressure issue. As postulated above, it was most likely a bad sensor, but they didn't know that at the time.

How does that translate into him lying?

Cheers,
Ian

 

I'm pretty sure he claimed on the podium that he lost water pressure for the last 17 laps (the team warned him on the radio which caused him to ease off when he was catching Rosberg)


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The team told him he was losing water pressure, so he backed off.

Fair enough that he commented about it on the podium. A long way from lying about anything IMO.

Please note that I'm no Lewis fan either, but 'lying' is a pretty serious accusation.

Cheers,
Ian

 

Yes and the team also told him 6 laps after their initial warning of a water pressure problem that the situation had stabilized according to the radio transcripts that Bas Jaski posted here. So though perhaps the accusation of lying is a bit harsh, at the very least he greatly exaggerated about the frailty of his car's condition to excuse the fact that he couldn't catch Rosberg.
Cheers,
Clyde

 

From finishing the race to going on the podium and being interviewed live, nobody from Mercedes would have been able to tell Hamilton exactly what the water pressure issue had really been (mainly because they wouldn't have known until they got the car back from scrutineering, long after the race had ended!), so lewis gave a generalised version of what he thought was the issue when asked on the podium.

To state that Hamilton was lying is bang out of order!

 

I've already said that accusing him of lying was too harsh, however he did exaggerate the situation greatly to make it appear as though he had more difficulty in catching Rosberg than he actually did.

 

He had NO chance to catch Rosberg over the last 17 laps, barring a failure by Rosberg's car.

 

Sorry you're wrong. He took 6 seconds out of Rosberg within a few laps so he did have a chance to catch him. Its still racing last time I checked.

 

Rosberg had plenty of traffic at this time, and most definitely cruising.

 

Rosberg was told to put his car in normal mode because he had an MGU issue, Hamilton was catching him not because of traffic. Then the team told Hamilton that he has a water pressure issue so he had to slow, this lasted for 6 laps. Afterwards Hamilton's tires were worn and he couldn't up his pace to catch Rosberg like he did earlier. It wasn't because of traffic that he cut 6 seconds out of his time in 2 laps, and it wasn't because of water pressure issues that he couldn't catch him at the end.

 

You're missing the point I'm making!

In the time between the race ending, stopping the car and being interviewed on the podium, Hamilton had no way of knowing the true condition of the car, what exactly had failed, or if the damage would have been greater if he had carried on pushing to catch Rosberg, possibly resulting in a costly DNF.

He had been told by the team that he had a water pressure problem, and that it was highly likely that he wouldn't finish the race.

After a few laps he was then told that the water pressure situation had stabilised due to him driving slower. That would have made little sense to him, but he could only go off what the team were telling him at the time so he cruised to 2nd place rather than pushing hard to catch Rosberg.

Hamilton is an excellent driver, and Mercedes have shown themselves to be an incredible team, but neither are so good that they are capable of carrying out a full diagnostic check on the car whilst it's out on track racing!

What Hamilton said during his live interview on the podium was based on the last information he was given by his team.

You might not like Hamilton (in fact, it sounds highly likely that you hate his guts for whatever reason based on these posts), but (and I say this as someone who does not particularly like Hamilton), It's a bit far-fetched to accuse Hamilton of stretching the truth and making things up in order to make an excuse as to why he couldn't catch Rosberg in this case!

(Saying that, seeing the incredible hatred for Hamilton by certain members on here, it comes as no surprise!)

As we are blatantly not going to see eye to eye on this subject though, I see little point in discussing it further, as it will only degrade into the usual anti-Hamilton diatribe that has sadly taken over the F1 section of Fchat!

 

Rosberg drove the fastest lap later making his point that he could drive faster any time if needed...No, Hamilton was not able to catch up and the team knew that so they told him to back up...once they told him and the positions were taken they also told Rosberg to go into a safe mode to do not stress the engine more than needed.

Does anybody here really think that either of them had seriously technical trouble??? If so Hamilton should be unbeatable in the next races as the mechanics are taking away the cooling right at the moment as it does not look like the Mercedes needs it
No way that he could finish with a car loosing coolant due to a leak by just backing up 1 or two seconds a lap...It is not like he was nursing the car over the last lap, he was racing for 16 laps at just slightly reduced speed...And Rosberg did his fastest lap (way faster than enybody else) with ERS-trouble??? Sure....
I am sure the messages to the drivers were to make them slow down to avoid any risks, especially as Hamilton had engine trouble earlier this weekend. There was nothing to win (they had 1&2) for the team so why letting them race? They were just not allowed to tell them so they mentioned "technical issues". And just because they gave out a press release later on does not necessarily mean that this is true...

 

Monitoring the times, Elton was not catching rosberg at all. In the period late in the race where the reduction in gap went from 12 to 7 seconds, elton was negotiating the traffic, and once clear, within a couple of laps stretched his lead back out to 12 seconds while Elton went through the same phase

That's it, Elton wasn't gaining, and of course, as is the common these days, the leader was in a position to simply need to monitor the gap between he and the rest, and drive to suit. Only traffic made a difference in this race, and the water pressure, well, maybe there was an issue, maybe there wasn't, but I know when the radiator on my 599 developed pressure issues, no one suggests I keep going for 30 miles and hope it repaired itself, they just lightened my wallet by £8000

 

Ok then, he was just following orders, old habits die hard

 

I assume you're referring to him 'lying' to the stewards on the instructions of his boss?

After I posted that I was wondering how long it would be before that little debacle would be dragged up again....

Cheers,
Ian