Speciale Collectability

I'm doing a track day with my Speciale and 2 others this Friday in Florida.

 

3200+ Speciale's made? Is that correct?

If that's true...no way in hell will the car continue to appreciate without seeing a significant dip in the near future.

Supply and demand always wins.

 

I don't know where these stupid numbers come from. Each dealer got an average of 12-15 allocations in the US. Multiply this out by the number of dealers and you get 7-800 cars. If US represents 50% of the worlds allocations that puts the number at around 1500 cars total.

People throwing 3200 car numbers out are making it up. Ferrari has never said one way or another and THEY are the only ones that know.

 

If I wanted a special, I would buy one. If I wanted an investment I would buy a index fund.
You never know about a car.

 

USA is typically ⅓ of worldwide allocation. If we take the 800 number and *3 = 2,400 cars.

IMHO the only way to look at this as an investment is as an investment in your happiness. Then the return is infinite.

 

Weren't there 4,000+ Ford GT's produced between 2005 and 2006? They seem to be doing ok.

The global pool of wealthy enthusiasts has grown significantly in the last decade and the Speciale is regarded as one of Ferrari's best driver's cars, is beautiful and is their last NA V8.

 

Carrera GT 1,270 produced, been out 10 years. Doubled in value -

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Every time I see a Speciale I say to myself "they'll never make a better looking or more exciting Ferrari than this one!" Everything about it is "right". I know every new model will somehow always mange to be "faster", but that's not the most important thing. The Speciale is a very special Ferrari. My guess is it's going to be a highly coveted Ferrari. I'm keeping mine for the duration.

 

Afraid not. The numbers are out there, UK got 316 recorded cars (at end of 2015). This compares to 164 Scuds and 119 CS. Remember when everyone said Ferrari made 3000 Scuds? (Actually well under 2000)
UK is approx 9% Ferrari production. It's a great car and Ferrari delivered, why are you surprised?

 

That includes SA too. UK has currently 268 Speciale and 57 Aperta registered and taxed as 2014 and 2015. This has been increasing in 2016 because these total numbers include LHD cars being continually imported too, so not all of them are original UK supply. UK market has also been increasing in its percentage of total Ferrari production - now 2nd global market behind US, so 9% probably not correct. UK DVLA classification is not always accurate either - sometimes cars be logged under unusual model designations (has much to do with the homologation history of a particular model, which can give rise to misleading stats). Best arbiter is the US market - take its volume and the usual global share it takes and extrapolate. That's likely to be the best guess IMV.

Fact is, we don't know.

Feels like there were more Speciale than Scud and more Scud than CS, but exactly how many more, probably not that much. Say, 1,000, 1,800, 2,400 or something like that. Might not be any more - only Ferrari know.

Are there more Speciale for sale in the classifieds than in this period of the Scud's lifecycle? I don't think so. So either the Scud was less loved or the supply is not dissimilar. More likely the latter because I remember the Scud and 16M being given a rapturous reception. On further thought, the supply of Speciale into the used market must, if anything, be tighter because the price is higher than the Scud was at this stage. Unless the demand is just much higher.

 

Australia is 2% of the Ferrari market and we have approx 40 Speciales here so the maths seems about right. In addition there are far fewer RHD cars which makes them seemly worth more.

 

For the Scuderia and 16m, the exact number is 3025 cars. 378 cars were delivered to customers in Germany only. The numbers were released in Germany with a tire recall in 2009.

 

As I posted on another thread, a friend of mine in Germany who has contacts in Maranello said that, based on what he has been told, there were somewhere between 2,500 to 3,000 Speciales produced worldwide.

 

Your figures are to end of September, end of year figures are now out, 316 Speciales and 65 Aperta.
Full year figures put UK ahead of Germany in 2013 (highest % for years) with 9.78% of Ferrari production but that % fell back in 2014 - I will check if 2015 figures are out.
If you compare this back to 2004 the UK had 9.24% of CS production!

 

Based on what I was told by the dealer it was " around " 2000 cars worldwide. Both are equally as "reliable" for sources, actually I think Boardwalk Ferrari is a bit more but who knows?

 

If you know for sure about the index fund let me know please!

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I would think demand is probably much higher now. Scud/16M came out during a global market meltdown in 08 and 09.

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Exactly... Also There is a very high likelihood that the figure can be verified to a better extent than guessing by looking at the serial number on the front active aero parts. Funny how nobody even wants to take a look. We would only need 15 people to look. These parts are only for the SPeciales including the Aperta.

It's amazing many took a dooky on the 458 Spider due to the flex in the body BUT would be more than happy to look past that when it comes to the Aperta.

Lastly who really cares. This car is epic and if you can get one get it if you like if not then don't. Living costs money and I for one am willing to pay for some fun frying the tires off my Speciale!

Oh and valid point on the Ford GT. I owned one myself.

 

Possibly the Aperta is stiffer? 16M is certainly stiffer compared to F430 Spider.

 

US is 28% of Ferrari production.

 

Sounds more like you're the only one making stuff up.

Straight from the Ferrari IPO paper trail...where the Americas includes the Unites States of America, Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean and Central and South America.

Hey, suddenly 3,200 cars seems low, doesn't it lol...
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What the hell does that prove when it comes to the Speciale in particular? I am merely extrapolating what the number of allocations were to the number of dealers (both known quantities) to find out what the UNITED STATES was allotted. Show me where the US is allotted 28% of production in print please.

What does it matter anyway? The cars value is evident today with its resale strength. I own one and have no plans to sell.

So how do you like them apples?

 

Just stiffer in the pocket. Maybe less slightly due to the diet. 15 Spider to 15 Speciale so night and day. I actually liked the flex. Seemed depending how you drive hard it set the car into the corner better. Kinda unintentional like the 488 if you get my drift.

 

Dmark,

Useless to argue the point. It doesn't matter. Car is epic!
Take a look at this photo just for sh**ts and giggles. It's off my Speciale. There are tags on the vertical aero parts as well. You have to go under the car and push the deflector down to see the back side of them.

A very distinct way of figuring out number made. I doubt the Vendor made two types. Most likely painted the crappy CF ones and the good ones were used for clear coat. PM me if you don't want to post it. I'd be interested in what your serial number is along with the month your build was.
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Russell, beautiful 16M bye the bye. There is a black on black up in NY here absolutely gorgeous for my taste. Prices are through the roof too. Only had my Spaz for 3 weeks with a couple good days. Can't wait for the weather to break.