930 Turbo Carrera

This looks like a very original car. The seats were made and then installed days before the production date - pretty unusual but shows how some parts on these early Turbos may have been installed right before the cars left the factory.
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It would have been part of the rear parcel tray - which was welded in during production. Reproduction found here:

Porsche Parts Back Seat Parcel shelf, 911/930 (72-76)
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Does your '75 Turbo have the passenger-side mount in the engine bay side of the parcel shelf? Seems odd that Porsche would make two versions instead of just installing all of the parcel shelfs with left/right mounts (A/C cars use both mounts w/ 2 struts, non-A/C only left side w/ 2 struts in parallel)?

 

I thought I made it clear in my previous post that it does not.

That being said, it may have been an issue that was not immediately apparent to them in the production process. Perhaps they thought a single mount with a heavier-duty strut would be sufficient. I'd imagine the 2nd mount came after some trial and error.

 

This looks nice...

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23591/lot/123/

 

Looks pretty rough to me...

Non-original color(door tag indicates code 264 - Emerald Green) repaint doesn't look to be the best quality, door/window trim incorrect, missing rear wiper (no shots of underneath tail - assuming it's missing the guts), probably shouldn't have passenger mirror, incorrect wheels(they may be original but they have been widened), aftermarket exhaust, improper hood fitment, incorrect dash, hokey stereo, seats appear to be later style, large aftermarket braided oil line, engine bay decals, incorrect decklid badge, etc.

I wonder what it looks like underneath.

 

Note that these are two different style Garrett wastegates. The one in the press release has a rounded top without the mounting tabs. The one with the green tag has what appears to be a smaller top with four mounting tabs extending from each "corner".

 

A couple of nice but expensive 77's for sale, one at topgear and one a cooper classics.
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I have talked to Cooper Classics about that 77 - I honestly believe it is as original as they come.

 

The one at Top gear was listed on the PCA site for $198k or $189k, I was a few minutes too late.

Phil

 

That stereo is horrid. Wheels are interesting..


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Its funny when I read this I went to Cooper Classics website and saw the other other '77 which is far from original-I then saw the one you are referring to.

I was a little too late on the '77 that top gear has. It was advertised by the owners agent in Pano. From the pictures beside being lowered and having some extra speakers it looks about as good as whats out there. I did not see it person though.

 

NOS Garrett waste gate that sold on eBay – similar vintage to the '75 930s but I don’t believe it was used on a Porsche.

Perhaps Garrett had a patent and Porsche sourced them direct from Air Research when they introduced the 930 Turbo? By 1976, waste gates had Porsche's name embossed on them but perhaps they were still licensed by Garrett?
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Anyone followed the 76 EURO that was auctioned yesterday in Monaco by Bonhams? looks like it was unsold, but also looks like a horrible example .

 

https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/23591/?category=results#/aa0=4&MR0_length=10&w0=list&m0=0

No price, so not sold at the auction.
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Not a strong offering or a strong sale apparently. Thanks for posting.

 

Sorry - didn't know that you had dropped the sound insulation to verify there was no passenger strut mount on the tray.

1975 Turbos #0080 and #0242, equipped with air conditioning had right-side tail struts so perhaps Porsche did had two different tubs for A/C or non-A/C Turbos or they welded the right side strut mount during finally assembly?
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This is a car that has been (and is still) for sale for quite a while in France: PORSCHE 911 (930) TURBO 3.0 260 1976 Essence occasion - Cagnes sur mer - Alpes-Maritimes 06

It is listed at 185.000 euros. Now with this failed auction this car will not attract more than 150.000 euros logically... But even at this price I would keep away from it, I am not a specialist but my instinct tells me it is not a good example (besides the fact that I personally don't like this combo).

 

Pfff..

Porsche 911 Turbo Vs 205 GTI - vidéo Dailymotion

 

Lots of people talking these cars down, Hagerty notes falling prices, many cars surfaced after people think the market peaked.

Is it just me or does anyone else believe these are still hugely undervalued, when just looking at production numbers and race pedigree? Is someone buying all these cheap modded ones restoring them for what is to come in 10 years?

Why are cars like flying mirror testarossa that had a similar development not taking the same hit?

 

The entire market is taking a hit, no sector is impervious. The few exceptions are the ultra rare cars, and some cars with extremely low mileage. Their time will come as well, my 2 cents.

 

I have followed the european supply of these for a while now, and noticed one reoccuring cycle, the US turbo carrera's sit much longer then the ROW 930's, and the ROW 930's are priced higher than US turbo carreras, and the good ROW's that are offered at reasonable prices, are listed shortly ( they sell )

I follow the market on Autoscout24.de and mobile.de, try and look this up and you will see for your self.

I still think the market is strong for the good cars, we sold a 76 ROW last month ( driver not restored ), sold in my network, sold to the first guy that saw it, and I could have sold it probably 3-4 times, and this cars wasn't even listed.

I do think that the collectors who are buying the "high end 930's" now are in favor of the row's or original paint turbo Carrera's and possibly early vins as well. I agree that the avarage 930's struggle, but the good cars are still doing very well.

Besides that, the definition of a "hit", that's relative. I think for example that 20% lower than the peak, is still strong, compared to prices 24 months ago.

And lastly I do think it's smart to hold on to these, they have the future in front of them, as being the first serial production porsche, demand will continue to be strong, as this is a very desired vehicle.!

 

Correctly priced cars sell very quickly in US as well, prices moved up very quickly on these, those increases were not sustainable in long term. A lot of crap got pulled out of garages polished up to be sold on auction circuit- same cycle has been going on for a long time in collector car business.
Phil

 

Interesting that Porsche's horsepower graphs in the North American brochures show different horsepower for the 1976 and 1977 Turbo Carreras.

For the 1976 Turbo Carrera model they specify the SAE horsepower produced as 228 hp and for the 1977 Turbo Carrera it produces 234 hp. The corresponding graphs are the same, except the 228 on the scale is replaced with 234. I suspect they just glossed over this as it wasn't as easy to edit graphs/photos today when they had to shoot each page with actual film (not like digital today).
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Have you had much interest in your car?