The Spanish Incident - Who was at fault? ***spoilers***

thanks..."it's risky, but that's racing"

I rest my case. No one is to blame.

 

It wasn't occupied when Nico turned in...just like the corner before when it was LEWIS who dived and blocked the inside. The difference is that Nico went around the outside of Lewis, but lewis tried to go around the inside of Nico.

Anyway...enough BS...neither tried to take the other out....the stewards agree....and I agree with them. No rules were broken.

 

He was just testing out his retirement plan of mowing lawns ?

 

You don't think Bernie orchestrated this ?

Look at how much happier everyone is, time to give the silver arrows the flick

 

Lauda was right in his first assesment: Hamilton was too aggressive and paid the price for it. It's a pity that Rosberg was the unfortunate victim. I really cannot see what he could have done to prevent the contact.

You don't win a GP in the first lap, but you surely can lose it.

I don't care what the rule says: it's the responsibility of the overtaker to do a clean pass. Hamilton chosed to pass Rosberg on the wrong side: there was plenty of room to overtake on the other side!!

 

It was Rosberg's corner. Hammy was no where close to being even.

 

The next corner sets as a right-hand sweeper (apex outside-inside-outside) on the racing line, which is why I'm guessing Lewis went for the pass there. He was totally committed though with Nico's slowdown and the rest is history.

I agree that neither was trying to take the other out. Both made aggressive moves to be the lead car (and, for Lewis, the opportunity clearly presented itself with Nico in harvest mode).

 

If you read the poll it looks like its Nico's fault (Fchat has a built in margin of 33% "Lewis is at fault for everything" members)... so adjusting for the slant around here, I'd say the poll matches others I've seen.

 

the poll is still erroneous because there isn't a "neither" option, which is the one I'd have chosen given the opportunity.

 

Nonsense.

YES, Nico was going right to block Lewis ... on that point, everyone agrees. Therefore, 27.7 applies ... and 27.7 clearly states that Nico must leave room (can't use the entire width of the track) if Hamilton has any bit of wing alongside Nico's rear tire.

There's no qualification in the rule that states anything like what you're suggesting ... such as, "full track width can be used for the block, even if someone is alongside, providing that the block was started when the person passing wasn't alongside"

Let's try it this way: Let's say Nico "starts" to close the gap when Hamilton is well behind, but by the time there's only one car width left in the gap, Hamilton is right next to him ... front tire to front tire. Is Nico allowed to run Hamilton off the road, in this case? Of course not! Well, how far forward must Hamilton be? The rules provide the answer ...

There's simply no escaping the fact that Hamilton had a front wing next to Rosberg's rear wheel, when Rosberg ... in a clear block/defend move ... tried to close the gap completely. The rules anticipate and describe this condition exactly.

 

See my post above.

By extension of your logic ... as long as Nico "starts" to turn-in/block while Hamilton is well behind, Nico would be allowed to run Hamilton off as the gap closes, no matter how far forward Hamilton had progressed. That's pure nonsense.

A front-wing alongside a rear-tire, is all that's needed to disallow a full track-width block.

 

Certainly no bias when All the SKY commentators blamed Nico and the majority of viewers are from Great Britain.

70,000 from a potential 100 million+ that watched the race. That's like deciding who wins a countries election with the results of one city in one state.

Hold on a second you are not reading the start of the rule.

It states he can use the whole track during his FIRST MOVE provided no part of the car is along side.

When he starts moving to block Lewis is NOT side by side. Lewis appears at the END of the block for 0.5s before leaving the track.

 

That's not what "first move" means.

"First move" does not mean "when the driver first starts to move". Instead, "first move" means the first legal blocking move, whereas the "second move" would mean the return to the racing line (described in 27.6). You can't use the full track width according to your definition of "first move" (i.e., when you first start to move, you can't use the whole track width) ... but you can use the full track width according to my definition.

Try this example : Nico is on the far left side of the track, Hamilton is far right. Hamilton is fully behind ... front wing well behind Nico's rear tire ... but Hamilton is progressing fast, to pass. Nico starts to move right, to block. Are you suggesting that Nico is allowed to use the full track width to block, no matter how far forward Hamilton progresses, since Nico "started" the block when Hamilton was fully behind?

 

Werewolf you can't reason with aircon. He's anti Hamilton until his grave. An analysis of the regulations make it clear that it's rosbergs fault there is no way around that analysis. People just choose to ignore it and as soon as the regulations are mentioned they change the subject.


Yes a 70k poll isn't perfect but it's a bigger sample size than 100 people especially, as mark mentioned above, a large proportion of members here hate Lewis because he always is the best and always vote against him

 

I would agree with your logic if I was blaming Hamilton....but I'm not.

I'm just saying that it wasn't Nico's fault either. He's entitled to block (why do I feel like I'm repeating myself) just like Lewis did the corner before. When Nico initiated the block Lewis was NOT there.

and....Prost who was commentating AND the stewards agree. No fault passed on to anyone and no rules broken.

I guess it's like spa a couple of years ago when the situation was reversed....remember that?

You blamed Nico for that one too....lol...you really want it both ways, don't you?

 

You can argue as much as you want. The rules are ambigious enough.

The incident happened on a straight, as far as I could see, and Rosberg didn't swerve or change direction several times (which is banned, I understand), so I cannot see how he could be found guilty of anything.

It was Hamilton's responsability to overtake him cleanly - on a straight, remember - by choosing the correct side. Hamilton chose the right side of Rosberg, when there was plenty of space on the left. Hamilton made the wrong move.
Catching a slower Rosberg, and seeing that the gap was getting narrower, all Hamilton had to was to back off a little bit, switch to the left and overtake!
This was a clear case of red mist, with Hamilton being upset of having missed his start -once again- and being cleanly passed on the outside by his team mate. Something he cannot accept!!
The pillock lost 43 points to his team, by trying to win the race during the first lap.
No surprise that Lauda, who has to face the MB board of directors next, was incensed by the move!!
Cretinous to the extreme, and not what you expect a 3-time WDC with a superior car to do.

 

I needed a laugh tonight and reading some of the comments on here about Elton gave me that laugh.

Lets be clear, the rules do state that Rosberg was guilty or whatever but surely you base your actions on what you see. And the rule 27.7 would come into effect if Rosberg was aware that Elton was making the pass in that way but what if Rosberg looked and moved before knowing that Elton was making a move up the inside, there is nothing illegal in that........

Further if rule 27.7 is taken to the extreme then Elton would have been penalised for many of his blocks through his career. After all he isn't scared of carving up an opponent and many posters would describe Lewis doing that move as him being racy. It would appear that nearly three years on from the Spa incident certain readers still think that Rosberg is not worthy of racing Elton let alone beating him and that makes his moves illegal while Elton has a light shining out of his ass.

 

Yeah cos ramming your way into the racing line and sticking your front wing into someone's tyre is totally the same thing...

 

Exactly !!

 

There was more space to the right actually when he committed to the move and then rosberg drifted right suddenly like a lunatic - obviously knew that ham was there despite denying it

 

This little poll has turned *epic*...... Love it!

I was just wondering what the great unwashed here felt.

Cheers,
Ian
PS - Could a mod please correct the spelling in the title - For reasons unknown, it really grates on me. Thanks!

 

It's pointless discussing with you.

You are back on my ignore list.

 

Your posts are becoming funnier and funnier.

Now Rosberg is 'like a lunatic'....lol

"obviously knew....."

anything else?

 

Leave me on there please so I don't have to talk to you

 

+1

He never left mine.

I just really wish you guys wouldn't quote his nonsense.

Cheers,
Ian