The Spanish Incident - Who was at fault? ***spoilers***

OMG 9 pages and eltons fans are still convinced he was hard done by? Wow... Even Elton knew it when he had his head in his hands before he even drew to a stop in the gravel. How on earth does the car leading the race have to get out the way for the car behind?

Are we going to see marshals with a special pink flag indicating to cars that Elton is trying to overtake and to get out the way? Maybe we should, he seems to have missed the email that other drivers have finally read that told them it IS allowed to block him off and not simply allow him to pass, previously known as the 'Glock shuffle'.

 

I like the idea of a pink flag ..... would tell the leading driver a fairy is trying a stupid move

 

hahhahahaaha

 

Awesome!

Love the pink flag idea!...... Suggest sending Charlie an email with that one.

I've been around racing/race cars pretty much all my life;

Rule #1; Never hurt your 'mate.
Rule #2; It is always the responsibility of the overtaker to ensure the pass can be made safely.

That he didn't back off in this instance shows, to me anyway, a lack of brains, maturity, arrogance, and knowledge of the sport.

And I'm no hater either.... The guy can drive. But sure seems he ain't long on brains.

I may be over reacting, but he should be banned & allowed to cool his heels for a while IMO. Wish I could find Bas' video to illustrate it again. (Bas?....)

Cheers,
Ian

 

In my minds eye, I'm seeing Elton as Bart Simpson, in the credits, writing on the board 'I must learn to play nice with Nico and stop driving like I stole it'

Even the Stevenage rapper crew would be embarrassed at the driving this weekend, they can do donuts, handbrake turns and evryting bruvva. Peace out

 

Oh yes, he's definitely more of a Bart Simpson than Elton

 

''secret start mode''. Are you lot on crack? All ****ing teams have a start feature, it's just telling the ECU how much of the power to use. And if it's so hidden and illegal, don't you think Rosbergs TEAMMATE would have the same bloody feature!!! You're all making it sound like as if Rosberg is the one with all the illegal **** in his car.

HAHAHA

Maybe a good idea for another tattoo...Get it doen on his arm and suit so he doesn't soon forget.

https://vine.co/v/i0WEiVJbFgP/card?api=1

 

You know, the more I look at that video the more I say "WTF!!!!!??"

IF, I was Hamilton, and I saw that happening in front of me I would have IMMEDIATELY thrown the car left, just miss Nico, and with the obvious momentum pass Nico.

Hamilton's option, I'll keep going right

Everyone knows if you hit the grass you become a passenger ............. dumb option

 

Notice the "nice" additional nudge by Nico there towards the end. What that clipped video doesn't capture is the rate of gain Hamilton was getting because of Nico's careless mode setting/changing.

In 20/20 hindsight, sure maybe the outside was the better side to attack, but for anyone to say, "NO, DON'T ATTACK WHEN TEAMMATE RAPIDLY SLOWS DOWN" is downright silly imho.

This ain't point-by racing...

 

Attack YES, but pick the right (or in this case the left) side to pass in this instance when you can see the gate shutting

 

Agreed - *With* the benefit of our 20/20 hindsight.

We've looked at it from the onboards, the chopper, the regular cameras etc.

In slow motion.

Hammy didn't have those options.

I still believe it was primarily he who screwed up, but it's not as black & white as some here seem to believe IMO.

"Racing incident", move along.......

Cheers,
Ian

 

I think if you look at that video Bas posted from a driver's angle (I've set up a few VR racing setups using an old '88 Williams rolling chassis and tested them out .... a LOT) and the feel I get is STEER LEFT QUICK !!!

It is obvious Fluff boy Nico is drifting to the right while he is tuning in to the local FM station (man get voice activation you dill !!) , Hambone is roaring in but still doesn't have the presence of mind to swing the other way

I've been forced onto the grass a couple of times (damn you Jaguar drivers !!) and would avoid it like the plague.

Even with the benefit of 20/20 it was a dumb option

 

I love it how all the Ham fans are crying fowl all the while last year they said too bad so sad when Ham did the exact same thing (actually worse) to Nico.

A perfect serving of instant karma, except Nico gets caught up in it too.

Oh well.

-F

 

I don't know. I rewatched that vine clip and could see a few things:

- Nico went right to block, then paused momentarily, then continued right again as Hamilton kept charging and was already fully committed
- Because of the second nudge to the right, Hamilton had to evade as he was already enough alongside Nico ie already too committed to bail/brake
- He hopped onto the grass, became a passenger, spun then spun back onto the circuit collecting Nico along with him

Just rewatch it. Nico left 1/10th of a car width maybe lol.

Nico made 2 distinct consecutive right moves, rather than 1 single continuous right move to block. You could see the 2 separate moves from the skycam view replay too. This also, at least to me, confirms that Nico was aware Hamilton was already ALONGSIDE him.

Recap of the sporting regs:

27.6 "More than one change of direction to defend a position is not permitted. Any driver moving back towards the racing line, having earlier defended his position off-line, should leave at least one car width between his own car and the edge of the track on the approach to the corner."

27.7 "Any driver defending his position on a straight, and before any braking area, may use the full width of the track during his first move, provided no significant portion of the car attempting to pass is alongside his. Whilst defending in this way the driver may not leave the track without justifiable reason.

For the avoidance of doubt, if any part of the front wing of the car attempting to pass is alongside the rear wheel of the car in front this will be deemed to be a ‘significant portion’." Hamilton had a wing AND a wheel on Rosberg.
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I put it down to karma and fluff boy claiming his manhood back after Hambone stomped all over him the last couple of years ... somewhere along the road you have to make your mind up whether you're going to keep taking that rubbish from Hamilton or stand your ground.

This time down he did a Rocky Horror move and luckily for us tifosi the slate had the silver arrows rubbed out ...... good result for me

Don't really care who was at fault, just do it again please

 

hahah yea, i'm hoping for more. only way we're going to ever see an actual race for a change!

 

Nico is not very sharp and Ham is impulsive. I'm surprised this hasn't happened more often.

Yes, more please.

But maybe next time, take each other out on the last lap, more dramatic that way.

-F

 

No one was at fault... I say again "sh*t happens". Stewards agree with me (they called and asked my advice)

 

Nico's fault all the way. He completely ran Lewis off the road.

If you look at the replay you will see the racing line everyother driver took coming out of that curve, during the incident, and through out the rest of the race. Lewis had the momentum and exit speed, took the inside line and Rossberg ran him off the road, didn't even leave at least 1 car width as you are supposed to. Had Rossberg been racing clean Lewis would have never lost control after getting forced onto the grass. Nico deliberately ran him off the road, and because of his stupidity ruined two cars, lost championship points not only for Lewis but for the team and himself as well. It a good thing no one got hurt, or worse killed because of his idiotic move. Lewis did not pull a kamakzi dive entering the corner. Lewis took the corner clean, exited clean, had greater speed out of it, pulled along side Rossberg, and then Nico ran him off the road, causing the crash. The FIA should give Nico the punishment.

 

^This^

 

Wrong

 

Having reviewed the footage in slow motion, and not having a dog in this fight, I believe that Rosberg is to blame for this incident.

The reason is simple to me - once Hamilton was committed and almost right beside him, Rosberg must immediately allow the other car (whether teammate or not) through.

The analogy I use is closing the barn door before or after a horse has escaped. You can either close the barn door before or after the horse has escaped, but you cannot close the barn door on the horse and kill it as he is escaping! Unfortunately for Rosberg, that is exactly what he did which caused the crash. He moved over to close the door on the pass when Hamilton was already committed, thereby giving Hamilton nowhere to go.

Had Rosberg moved to block Hamilton a fraction of a second earlier, when Hamilton was still behind him, and if Hamilton then ran into the back of him, then it would be Hamilton's fault for being too aggressive.

At least, that is how I see it.

 

Glad to see it from the perspective of an objective observer. This forum is infested with Hamilton haters

 

yeah.....all us haters.....that's always been the case, right? Any time someone doesn't agree with your point of view it's because they're a hamilton hater. Why are you on fchat, anyway?

 

Putting words in my mouth. Plenty who supported rosberg aren't haters. The ones who do so without valid reasons are or without considering the facts


Jackie Stewart is a ham hater go check his views if you want a laugh. Spiteful that ham is a better driver and took the number 1 British driver crown Suddenly