The Spanish Incident - Who was at fault? ***spoilers***

yawn

 

Can toil please stop calling us haters please. It is not in the spirit of the new rules as its antagonistic, and he must remember he is in a FERRARI biased forum and therefore should expect that the majority of us will not be supporters of other teams. If he wants to feel the love, there must surely be an Elton-chat, Mercedes-chat or crap-at-singing-chat where they would be more amenable to toils rather biased opinions

 

As a bias "Hamilton hater" on this forum, I agree with Niki Lauda that Hamilton was aggressive and over ambitious in his move. Rosberg was just following his path.
Why Hamilton decided to pass his team mate on the right rather on the left is what I fail to understand.

 

Ok ok ok ,, .............................. you're wrong

 

Hate is such a horrible word ........ I just hate it

I think that toil just being here is tantamount to treason and I want MI6 to send a 00 to sort him out ................ look out for a DB5 toil mate

 

Since this happened on the straight, before the braking area, Rosberg starts his blocking move SIGNIFICANTLY before ham has any part of his car alongside. At this point, as any race driver knows, the gap will simply disappear. That's it. He had 2 options at this point; either brake, or like Moretti said, jink left and overtake. Not a chance of a defense from Rosberg from there, and even if he did, it would 100% be Rosberg's fault at that time and a significant penalty for the Monaco GP.

The point is that, as soon as Rosberg started his blocking move, he wouldn't simply stop half way and leave a gap when he shouldn't. He was always going to the side of the track. In previous years Rosberg always played nice and allowed gaps when he shouldn't, and Hamilton was ruthless (he would do exactly as Rosberg did, and has done many times to him already since they've been teammates). Hamilton expected the old Rosberg, or from his last 3 years of driving at the very front has lost some valuable wheel-to-wheel racing ability. Either way, he messed up by driving into the disappearing gap.

The fact that Rosberg was down on power made it ever easier for him to go round the outside, btw.

 

Lewis has now inherited the title "Torpedo" from Daniil.

 

So, two wrongs made a great race ?

I'm happy for Nico, it take strong conviction to make the comeback to manhood he has made.

Now Hamilton will be thinking twice, before being impulsive and assuming Nico will just roll over

BTW this thread could be about why Kimi didn't go for the win or Dan's Kamikaze dive under Vettel

Answers : Kimi's lost it
Dan was desperate with a car that doesn't have enough grunt
If it was good enough for Dan to try it why didn't Kimi ???????????????????

 

No, it was salazar......at hockenheim,1982....Piquet was laping him,Elizeolet him trough and then forgot to brake fo rthe chicane,lololo...later they became friends....Funny thing, JamesHunt said Piquet should have kicked his ass,right on the spot, during the tv transmission.....good old days...

 

Because last year (2015) the FIA spanked Kimi for "crashing" into Valtteri during the Russian GP.

 

Toil ,nobody here suports Nico,and nobody here gives a **** about Hamilton either...here,we like Ferraris and ocasionaly the guys who are inside them...you should know that by now.....the rest of them are just for filling up the grid!

Ps:apart from Ricci for our Aussie friends and Max for Bas....

 

100% agree completely.
Pete

 

I'm not a Rosberg fan. But since it was very much a 2 horse race with the Merc being so utterly superior, I'd much rather see Rosberg win it than Hamilton.

Now...if Renault does a decent job with the engine upgrade in Canada, maybe they can actually mount a successful challenge on Mercedes, I won't have to give my (by default) support to Rosberg and can fully support either of the Red bull boys to deny Mercedes another year of utter domination.

Starting in less than 2 weeks in Monaco, another magic lap from Ricci like he's done 2 times this season in quali now (China and Barcelona), with some luck a nice little penalty for either mercedes driver (though I have some preference as to who ), can put a nice little dent into Mercedes armor for this season.

This season has huge potential right now, but it does completely depend on Renault's ability to build a decent engine upgrade. And I bet the entire forum here (minus 1, probably) is keeping their fingers crossed that the French pull it off!

 

Renault are wizards at building F1 engines, once they get the handle on it I see trouble ahead for Ferrari and Mercedes.

 

Fingers crossed eh! They are French, so it took them a while. All that wine at lunch, you know . It took Ferrari 2 bloody years to get some power out of that engine. They too have a lot of wine at lunch.

Seems beer with lunch is a much better option when you're building engines.

 

See #125 ( just after your post #124).http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/144687532-post125.html

Niki is entitled to his opinion..however Toto said he does not apportion total blame to either driver...also the stewards said the same.

Lewis thinks it's Nico's fault
Nico thinks it's Lewis's fault

You are a 'Hamilton hater'? Ok fine the world goes on.
For me it was 'more' Nico's fault,he forced Lewis onto the grass. Nobody cares.

No right or wrong answer,interesting though.

 

You obviously mean British beer
MERCEDES AMG PETRONAS - Brixworth

 

Sorry, but I can not agree with that...You put it down to fractions of a second who is to blame? They are driving at 100 mph and we decide in super slow motions and standing images whether there are 10 inch of the car alongside or not??? Does that make sense?
Looking at the whole incident Hamilton could have avoided it by switching sides, I would not say it is his fault (worth being penalized) but it was completely unnecessary and that is why he was slapped by Lauda. It was not the closing stage of the race in a "now or never" situation but the first lap...

Furthermore to say that Rosberg forced Hamilton off the track deliberately is a complete joke, just as it was in Spa 2014...How can one driver time a move in fractions of a second that he is exactly hitting the tyre (Spa) or that he just have a few inches of a car next to him. It was not like when Schumacher and Barrichello came down the start-finish line next to each other....

So I understand the stewards for putting it as a race incident without a clear causer and I do understand Lauda from a team point of view.

 

So only because he agrees with your view makes him "objectiv" as if you are?
And calling people over here haters:
This forum was never about Hamilton in all those years, then you and a few others joined the forum and annoyed people with 10 million posts about Hamilton being the greatest. When people went against you you decided to get a step further and talk down Vettel and Raikkonen in every occasion wondering why people are getting pissed. And then you complain about this forum being anti-Hamilton although you are the exact reason for this development. And you hide in the anonymity and claim the freedom of speach.

I have a suggestion for you: You go (preferrable in the UK) to a football game into the fan area of the local club and start to tell them that the other team is much better. You tell them especially the two main players are far better than those crappy pensioneers they have in their team. You go on and on with that and claim the freedom of speach and that they have to accept different opinions, furthermore you call them all haters.
Come back over here (as soon as you can get solid food again without breathing through a tube) and tell us how it went along...

 

hahahahahahahaha.....lol lol

 

Personally, I don't see how Nico "forced Lewis onto the grass", when the Brit chose to go on that side. Rosberg was just following his line. Hamilton is alledged to have said that he chose to pass the German on the right. Also, when he saw the gap narrowing, why didn't he brake instead of trying a pass at full chat in the grass? The telemetry should tell if Hamilton made an attempt to slow down when he saw his line blocked. Did he lift off? Did he brake? Comming from the back, he had a better vision from the scene than Rosberg.

Do you think that any driver should to jump into the bushes when they see Hamilton in their mirrors?

I think there was a dose of recklessness on Hamilton's part in this incident.

 

Hahaha, brilliant post

+1

Hamilton was simply too arrogant to think that Rosberg would hand him the place. It's his job as a racing driver to know where another driver can (and likely will) place his car. Since Rosberg was leading, and he started the blocking manouvre when Hamilton was still behind (not just measuring with front wings here, Hamilton was behind the rear wing and then some!).

Mr supreme overtaking skills simply failed here.

 

How it's done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc1_gk-fZcQ

 

This.

Hamilton lurched into a small gap on the interior line, as the corner was approaching. From the looks of it, this was a last minute decision, not a move that was executed with a lot of planning or set up.

Ham is impulsive and this is another example of that. (How many cars has Ham run into over the years?)

And now Nico is trying to drive with some guts for a change, which makes him do stupid things as well. Ham should realize Nico is not as easily shoved over these days and so he should drive with that in mind.

-F

 

Love it!

-F