The Spanish Incident - Who was at fault? ***spoilers***

I'm not an F1 driver, and not a licensed steward, I'm just a racing Ferrari fan.

Stewards have ruled, that's the way it goes.

Everything else is "woulda, coulda, shoulda".

Even arguing over the written rules is hilarious, since it's open to interpretation, might vary depending on the situation, and maybe even varies depending on if it's 2 cars from the same team, might vary if the incident knocks out 1 or both cars.

As a military guy with 30 years (so far) myself, I can totally relate this to the immortal words of Captain Jack Sparrow in "Pirates of the Caribbean, who would say, "They're not 'rules' exactly, more like 'guidelines'."

 

He witnessed the same event we all did. Nico dawdling or not does change anything.

 

Right

 

Harden up.

[ame]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1EY7lYRneHc[/ame]

 

Hamilton forgot the pedal on his left leg. It's probably called the brake pedal. Quite useful in this kinda situation

 

Um no.

It was actually Nico who forgot. Nico forgot to put the mapping on the correct setting which resulted in him being down on power versus Lewis. Nico even admits he "closed the door to defend....''. Like I said, totally Rosberg's fault. He ran Lewis off the road because in his words "that was my race to win". So instead of letting Lewis pass because he screwed up on the ecu mapping he forced Lewis to crash. You can see him checking his mirrors to see where lewis is while he adjusts the setting. Here watch it for yourself.

https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/latest/headlines/2016/5/f1-spain-hamilton-rosberg-drivers-go-for-gaps.html

 

It's Hamilton who hit Rosberg; not the other way around !!

 

Correct. Had LH stayed on track and NR had hit him, the argument of leaving a cars width could have come into play, as NR could have been found in violation. LH drove off track on his own, lost control and hit NR from behind. In short, LH blinked and gave way to avoid the collision, as NR has had a tendency to do in past years. It is when NR does not yield that LH runs into (quite literally) problems.

The argument over what setting on the wheel the car was in is also irrelevant. The car was down on power due to the harvest, but it could have had any number of mechanical reasons that it was slow and moving to an off line position. It remains the responsibility of the faster and overtaking car to do so safely. LH was attempting what is know as a "Low percentage pass".

Both drivers made errors in execution and/or judgement and harmed no one other than themselves and their own team. Based on that, the Stewards came to the right conclusion....Racing incident.

 

We aren't allowed to say what we think any more, so I was trying to be polite!

 

+1

Exactly. Very well said.

 

Loving the votes for Danny btw!

 

After he was deliberately forced off the track by Nico, causing him to lose control of the car. Lewis did not deliberately hit Nico. Nico deliberately ran Lewis off the road = Nico's fault.

 

Hahahahahahaaaa!!!!!

"Yeah I think I'll just drive onto the grass, so I can lose control, crash into Nico while going backwards, and ruin the race for both of us, and the team"

What a load.

 

Fact is, that is exactly what he did. Give it up. No amount of bloviating is going to change the decision of the stewards, nor is it going to change the outcome of the race.....one of the best of the year I might add. Whether you are a supporter of NR or LH (I support neither of them), you will undoubtedly never convince the other side of your argument and continuing to bang on about it make you look like a jealous jilted girlfriend. Take your own advice from #229.

These two are going to be so wound up by Monaco, I predict that neither one of them makes it to whatever name the Station Hairpin goes by these days....

 

Spot on. It's no different than if he locked up or blew a shift or whatever. Nico made a mistake, and that mistake resulted in him being passed. Or should have. Hamilton went to the side with by far the biggest opening. You put your foot down and go for it. If he hadn't we'd have all called him a baby for NOT.

And I am far from a Hammy fan.

 

Another girls gone wild thread (GGW). I.E. just because you have tits don't mean I want to see them.

Have at it guys.

 

LOL! Nobody's completely right, nobody's completely wrong. Nothing will be solved, but everyone must be heard.

 

Oh brother......

And I suppose it's the train engineer's "fault" for hitting the car that decided to stop on the tracks too. Because the train engineer should have "hit the brakes".

Give me a break.

 

I just remember the elation when Elton started spinning round like a Catherine wheel, absolutely the funniest thing I've seen on tv for a long time, at least since Eddie Jordan's tight jeans anyway

 

Yep.....Nico deliberately drove Lewis off the road, that's why he still has a job and the stewards didn't punish him.

*shakes head*

Where's the logic??

 

Correct...I don't think Lewis did anything wrong either. It's motor racing and people crash sometimes. If he'd gone the other way, he might have won the race....but how could he have known without being a mind reader.....these things happen.

 

Luckily in this instance

 

Please watch the incident in real time again...Not in slow motion, not with standing single frames and then look how long it took....No way that Rosberg "deliberately" forced Hamilton off the track. There was simply not enough time to look in the mirror, anticipate where Hamilton will be at what time, make the decision and then turn the steering...All that while switching dials....
In real time it went so fast that both of them steered to the right in almost the same moment. Most likely due to the superior speed Hamilton had no time or room to go to the left and most likely Rosberg did not have the time to open steering either. Furthermore at the time Hamilton appeared next to him (with "significant parts of the car") it was already to late for both of them.
Originally I said it was Hamiltons fault for trying in the first lap and most likely he could have avoided the crash by backing up once Rosberg blocked but at the end it is just "**** happens" and an unfortunate series of events but to say it was deliberately by anyone is way off....

 

Mate you should've been at the track. As soon as the car was sideways, the entire place ERUPTED! When Ricciarco emerged in the lead, not to mention Sainz coming passed in third it was even louder...absolutely insane. Just imagine 100 thousand people yelling as loud as you probably did (and probably a few thousand mercedes tinted hearts sinking ).

 

I've noted before, a diversity of opinions is a good thing - why many of us choose to hang out here.

But, how anyone who knows the slightest thing about open wheel racing can blame Nico in this instance is completely beyond my comprehension!

I guess I'm wrong, given that ~30% are blaming him. I find that astonishing TBH - He was minding his own business, made a little (legitimate) blocking move & got taken out. That it was his 'mate who did it makes it a little more "interesting", but it's staggering to me.

100% LH's fault IMO. As Aircon noted, the stewards found it to be a "racing incident" & I suspect are still laughing their asses off - We got a helluva race as a result.

*Never* take out your 'mate! And that's exactly what LH did.

And I've already noted I'm no LH "hater", he's a fine jockey, but brains seem to be in short supply there. Again, "stupid, stupid, stupid!"

Cheers,
Ian