The Spanish Incident - Who was at fault? ***spoilers***

oh look...someone's back tracking with sarcasm!!

 

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I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition!

oh alright i will go sit in the comfy chair,with a glass of cold milk.

 

lol

 

1-Nikki Lauda said immediately it was more Hamilton's fault.
2-Jackie Stewart said the next day it was more Hamilton's fault.
3-Today Alain Prost said it was more Hamilton's fault.
4-Tomorrow Ayrton Senna will say it was more Hamilton's fault.

3 of the above are true, #4 might happen, for "tomorrow" never comes!

That give us 13 time World Champions saying it was a 3 time Champs fault (including Senna!).

 

Are you ready for my stupid reasoning?

Other than points Nico has another HUGE advantage over Hamilton this year.
It's called reliability and engine allocation.

Mathematically Hamilton needs 6 wins to close the gap. Let's give him twice the amount @12 races to close the gap and possibly take the lead. Having a very long 21 race season with reliability issues + engine rules is not helping him at all. In fact, I think reliability/penalties toward the end of the season will eventually cost him the championship.

This is why I said similar incidents with Nico (zero points for both). No damage to drivetrain at the start of the race with very little mileage. 3-4 of those incidents (less miles/races) would help with his reliability/engine situation.

Are you still with me?

On top of the reliability concerns he could have easily lost more ground in Spain. Identical cars in Spain on the same strategy after the T1 pass would probably be a Nico win. That is at least another 7 points to worry about.

Small advantage to Hamilton after Spain collision is not sounding so crazy now or is it?

 

Maybe what would really help Hamilton is to stop making risky moves on a driver who is no longer being instructed to give way. Or maybe stop making risky moves that hack off your entire team and push them to the other drivers' court.

But what do I know?

Caveat: I don't like either driver, so this is not personal. Just a logical observation.

 

Ohhh so he was instructed to give way before? LOL

What would help Hamilton the most is to get a reliable car. Not one that doesn't let him participate in qualifying or giving him grid penalties.

But what do I know?

By the way, I'm not here to argue the incident (we already have plenty of pages on that subject). I'm just giving my view on the disadvantage/advantage situation since everyone called me crazy for even thinking there was any type of advantage for Hamilton after the collision.

 

Maldonado did it. Conversation over.

 

Plus stop making bad starts, crashing into people (Kimi, Bottas, Rosberg).

It's asthonising, the 3 times WDC in the best car by a margin, no wins in 9 (?) races + all of the above.

 

But you are aware that in this scenario Rosberg is saving engine milage as well??? So maybe Hamilton might have a penalty less by that but Rosberg saves engine as well and can keep fresh material for the final when it counts....If I would be Hamilton I would start collecting points first and then take my team mate out instead of the other way round...

PS: maybe Hamilton should have been using the speed difference not for an overtaking but directly crashing into the back of Rosberg taking one engine out from Rosbergs season.....

 

Bwah! What do they know?.....

Cheers,
Ian

 

Nico doesn't have engine allocation problems.
Crashing in the back will result in penalties. I said similar incidents without penalties.

 

/thread isn't it?

 

HUH??!!

The four-time World Champion, who was famously involved in controversial incidents with his McLaren teammate Ayrton Senna, hopes that Mercedes will continue to allow its drivers to race hard.

“First of all, we know that especially in this race, the one who is going to lead the first lap, especially when you have the same cars, it's going to be the advantage,” he said.

“So they know that. And Lewis, he has to win. We also know this year that it's very rare that you do a perfect start, and also the whole combination gives a lot more pressure.

“For sure, Nico has done a right move at the first corner, it was going well. He had a problem at Turn 3, because you can see the red light, and for sure the speed was not there.

"And then if you're in Nico's position, you want to protect your position, and that's why he went quite a lot on the right. But it's allowed by the regulations, and that's a fact.

“And then obviously with Lewis, maybe he saw the difference of speed, and he decided to go at the same time. The speed difference is so high, I don't know how much it is but it's quite high, and as soon as he made the decision it's too late, because he already had a wheel on the grass.

"For me it's more a race incident considering some different parameters.”

That was all he said...which I agree with completely.

 

Agreed.

For anyone still talking about being inpatient and that you don't win on the first lap you are completely wrong. Due to the regulations + specific tracks you might never get another opportunity. How many laps was Kimi behind Max? Ricciardo behind Vettel?
If you don't think a flashing red light -180BHP is a opportunity then there is probably no hope for you. If Hamilton doesn't go for those opportunities he might as well give up right now.

 

Sorry, I don't agree, he'd be a mile in front of the pair of them with his racecraft and intelligence, and they'd be fighting over second and third!

Forza Michael.

 

+1

He really was that good!

Get well soon Michael,
Ian

 

The Williams had a similar advantage to the mercs one now back in 1994 and 1995, the master still beat them with inferior machinery. He really was special like Senna and many before, and I don't believe anyone since

 

ricksb,
You're right, I read too much into Prost's words.

After he said Rosberg did nothing wrong, I inferred that Hamilton was wrong.

Racing incident, I mis-read the Professors intent.

thanks.

 

Funny how you can post something totally ridiculous and then something so right.

Racing incident....just bad luck. Had Lewis chosen the outside, he might have won the race, but that's only with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight and was not, IMO, an error on Lewis' part.

 

Look at these stats from when Michael and Nico raced for Mercedes

I forgot how well Nico did

 

I KNEW you were a Hamilton fanboi !!

 

Really? So there's never any passing after the first lap? Maybe they should only run one lap then. I will agree that some of the tracks make passing harder than others, but that wasn't the case here. Even in Monaco, where it's much harder, drivers still pass. Patience should be part of every champions tool box.

And saying Kimi couldn't catch Max is a pointless argument since Ferrari doesn't have the speed. We all hate that, but we know it.

 

Fifteen (15) pages of non-Ferrari racing yack.

Now that's funny.