9 out of 10 times it's a lack of coffee. But when you're mind is "multitasking" at levels that go far, far beyond your abilities . . . when you're posture is suddenly straighter than it was when you were at your physical zenith . . . when your hand is shaking at a rate that leads to Fatal Error pop up from the mouse's driver . . . when you're posting links that have nothing to do with either the thread or your text . . . that's too much coffee, too soon. (Note I wrote "upload" instead of post a link . . .)
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So if you had to pick one which one: I have a Speciale now. Can't keep both if by some magic my ticket gets punched. New GT or Speciale? Serious question. Forgetting ROI.
Like Boxerman notes above, what I find disconcerting is that the previous Ford GT was pitched as the "everyman's*" answer to the F430, and now they are out-Ferrariing Ferrari with this massive price and nitpicky process. To quote the great Steven Seagal in the cinematic masterpiece, Marked for Death, "I had become what I most despised." *Albeit a monied blue collar business owner.
A few things: 1. Inflation. Even general inflation has been about 26% from then until now, so add $35K to the price from that alone. 2. The new car is made of materials vastly more expensive. Even the wheels are CF on the new GT. 3. They don't have the capacity to make that many. It will probably take then 3 years to make 750 of these. Contrast that with a $500K Aventador for which over 5000 have already been made in roughly 4 years. They simply don't have enough cars to go around and they don't want it ending up flipped. If it was a simple lotto, you can rest assured they'd all be ordered with Gulf livery, never driven, and sold as soon as possible for $500K over sticker. They just aren't making enough cars to do things a normal way. I think what they're doing is fine and fair.
On one hand i love this car, its origional, and clearly a race car for the road, unlike pretty much every othr exotic which is a highly styles powerful street car with questionable useability on track, mostly useful for posing. But i cant get interested in car you cant actualy buy(not talkign price) and use, therfore its just anothe car that wont be used as designed or intended. Its a nice conversation piece, will make some "collector" happy to have bought one, but sort of irrelevant to someone who drives. Now if I knew I could buy one even after waiting a few years, I could get excited about an ultimate drivers street/track car and would happily put down a deposit. But you cant really put down a deposit and wait, and even if you manage to prostrate yourself on to the list, the premiums would mean you are faced with tracking a 700k, irrepalceable collectable which sort of defeats the whole point of designing/building/buying such a car in the first place, the point being imo to drive the wheels of the thing. The answer of course is for ford to build it in the same volumes as the previous Gt. Then if I wnat to track, race or end up wrecking my 400k car its replaceable and I know the cost danger going in. This would make it useable in my book. As it is now these cars are what the trade likes to trumpet as "sure fire instant collectables"
I think it all depends on your perspective. Think about the number of people that vintage race cars much rarer and more expensive than the GT. There are a lot of people that could never imagine taking a $400K car on track, or even a $40K car. To the rest of your post, the ACR is your answer. A true street car for the track.
I agree on the acr. I like them too., I think we all here seem to agree that given the limited prod of the FGT and price very few if any will be really used, for whatver logical reason, which is the point I am making. Vintage racers are mostly recreations or "rebuilds" with old data plates, cars with a call on provenance which are "rebuilt" ie sort of new builds with maybe some old bits. Nick Mason recently said that if you are running a GTO on track its with a spare engine and spare running gear. We know that most have redone bodywork too. GT40s and T70s that are raced for example have replacemt tubs and replacement bodywork. So I dotn think the vintage car analogy is applicable other than price. I just dont see people taking an incrediably limited prod car that is new, stock and uncrashed and running it hard on track with any consistency. Mostly people seem to revel in keeping the delivery decals and plastic on the seats to maintain"value" and this will be the fate of 90+% if not all FGTs, which is a great pity as based on design and spec its an awesome machine..
I agree that a very large portion will be only used as garage art and for going to cars & coffee. But, my point with the analogy to vintage racing is that there are always people that can afford to do it without worrying about it. I think (hope) that Ford's process of vetting the owners will get the cars in the hands of people that will use them.
Well, the first 500 cars have gone. First 500 Ford GTs Allocated to Owners, Order Books Closed For Now - GTspirit
If i am correct Ford is looking for people who wont flip them, the rest of the non use assertion still applies. Yes the people vintage racing can afford to wreck a 1 mill car or more. But they are mostly racing a many times rebuilt car with spare engine etc, so a wreck does not really affect value or even the car, save the cost of rebuilding again. In fact there is ample evidence to support the theory that most very valuable vintage racers are recreations and the "origional" car is safetly stored in the garage. The recreation being the one risked is masquerading as the origional car. Wrecking or just sandblasting the paint of a off the showroom floor car very materialy alters value. Yes a few may go to the track, but mostly the rest will be stored or gently driven to a C&C.e.
1) Define "flip". Keeping it in your garage for 3 years and putting it up for auction? Is that a flip? So, two years and 364 days is a flip but 3 years is not? 2) What can Ford do to you if you do it? It's not like Ferrari where they will ban you from buying another car. They're going to tell every dealer in the USA you can't buy a new mustang? The people getting them will be celebs, the very wealthy well known car collectors, Ford dealership owners, Ford backed race team owners, "Friends of Ford" -- those that contribute greatly to Ford charities, large Ford stock holders, and Ford parts and service supplier owners. Most of these will follow the rules.
Is there anything in the rules about you know actualy using it as a hi po car, or is ti just designed that way to barg about, trade and keep sealed. It appears to be agreat car, no let me rephrase that, and awesome car. An orgional design, where form also follows function, using materials and motor for real performance not just paer stats. A car that is probably awesome to drive on track(the one place in the usa where you can really sue a fast car) unlike so many of the otehr exotics. Yet we also hear its designed to be fun on the road to in a manner so many exotics fail at. Yet its likely to end up havig n the same fate as so many exotics,a pose brag machine, or lkept in a garage for future collector value. For these reasons which you apparently see too, based on your post about the types of owners and use. To me its a great car but irrelevant to a driving enthusiast. Because (A) you cant really buy one and (B) those few who do are unlikey to really use it, soi even as spectator it will be a near static exhibit or be seen droning to a C&C Yes I am sure 20 will be really used, I mean someone will, but very few, which sorta defeats the point of designing and building such an epic machine, and points to the debasement of cool cars. Seems like in the old days you had to be really dedicated and know what you were doing to own saya GT40, hence very few were sold for street use. these days as cars are also so "useable" there is little dedication or skill needed, and while on one hand thats a good thing, it also means the cars built are mostly not used due to owner profile and prioties of ownership. Car are and have been art, at least since the bug T35, but the art of driving and using them has been debased. At least with a vette or say a 997 Gt3 there were enough built and sold to drivers to be used as designed its at least not a mockery of the whole idea. Cant really say the same for say a speciale or an enzo. Its one of the reasons why I think lotus is the last true "authentic" car brand. In any event imo Ford should be churning these babies out in enough numbers that at least a few hundred actualy get DRIVEN. I get that Ford is not actualy building the car, thats multimatic, and they have very limited capacity. So they maker an instant collectable, whopee, yet are at pains to try seel to people who wont resell essentialy new cars now or 3 years from now, so it dosent seem like an irrelvant object D art, but given the limited production and hype driven demand thats what it will be, whether resold now or 5 years from now with delivery miles only and window sticker, or low mileage celebrity owned..
I agree with much of your post, but have to disagree with this part. One of Ford's main reasons for building this car was to go and win LeMans. The road cars are here to support the race program, not the other way around. If the street car was the priority, they would have found a way to build more and stick a v8 in it.
Great win for the new GT and Ford ! Eco-boost 6 proved a lot of people wrong on power and longevity. What a 50th Anniversary win for the team. Well done !
