The (one and only) '0846' Debate Thread

Oh absolutely agree, I doubt Ferrari would have cared too much unless they were racing for him or he could see profit from it. They only began to care about anything other than their current production when they created Classiche in the 2000s and then probably only because there was revenue for them.

 

I have not missed anything.

I am not saying 0846 has continuity in relation to the parts 0846 ran with last before being dismantled. The parts in question however are parts that were swapped between a handful of similar P4's as the need arose. It also is not too unlikely that many of the parts that ended up in the dismantled 0846 parts bin made there way back onto 0846. But agreed, nothing is defined as last ran as continuity....

But the question I am really curious to hear your opinion on is this...

Do you feel 0858 current day, has a continuity of parts from when it was last run 0858 P4 originally?

 

Racing cars dont need a VIN, Piper allocated different chassis numbers to his other cars anyway, and in the case of Jims car it was 003, Ferrari have never allocated any number to that car.

 

So you have contacted MF direct then have you?

 

Because he hasn't posted here in quite some time and isn't likely to either.

Given your stalking of JG on any forum that you can find him, you are in a far better position to question him over said 'lie' aren't you?

Now onto Forghieri's own words regarding what he now believes...

 

Why didn't you ask him when he was posting here? I have asked him a number of times already with no response. Why isn't Jim posting here then? Is it because he can't/won't answer very valid questions that have been put to him?

 

He has better things to do than go round and round with the tactless stalker who even has a Facebook account dedicated to the task of defaming character of James Glickenhaus.


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"0846" during May's 100th Targa Florio Anniversary, driven by Nino Vaccarella.
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Look how clean and well done the welds are on the LHS rear engine mount on genuine Ferrari P4 chassis 0856 compared to the welds on Mr Glickenhaus's chassis DP0003. Top 2 pics 0856 and bottom 2 from JG's chassis. Please ignore the red circles and arrows.
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Of course they lack continuity. Which P3 - P4 were the following in before?
the engine - chassis no. please (Note: it is not even a genuine P4 engine)
the gearbox - chassis no. please
the dashboard - chassis no. please
the steering wheel - chassis no. please
most other parts - chassis no. please
See, no continuity.
Nathan

 

Apologies if this has been asked or answered previously, but how does the current chassis compare to DP's other continuation chassis? If they are similar, that would be problematic, but if they are significantly different, then that would suggest that the chassis in 0846 has very different origins.

 

See post 8033. Ing. Solofast had stated that the bulkhead tubes were a one off in Jim's chassis. However the picture proves him wrong. The upper tubes that meet the crossbar in the bulkhead on DP 0900a, which is the ex Max Wakefield chassis, are exactly the same as on JG's chasssis.

I believe both these chassis were made by the same builder with the P4 arrangement of tubes in the rear, which misses out one of the P3/412P tubes. JG's chassis has been built with the tube length coordinates for an engine with different engine mount positions such as P3 whereas 0900a has been built to fit a P4 engine.

 

Lovely photo.

 

This member of the non acceptant group does not agree with you.

The engine is Ferrari but F1, not P4.

Gearbox currently in the car is replica.

JG claims the suspension uprights were made by Ferrari relatively recently but I can't think of anything else in it that's genuine Ferrari.

 

Car is now at N24. Steve come to the Ring it is not that far from UK.

 

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There is no Ferrari with a VIN 0846 in any case. This Ferrari VIN officially ceased to exist and Ferrari is stating this in writing. This is the relevant fact.

Only a DP 0003 does exist and no dead bed statement, crazy estoppel theory or any other wise manipulation or fb publication can change this definitely established fact.

Wonderful car with many wonderful original bits and pieces, but definitely no Ferrari. The car is David Piper’s beautiful P3/4 reproduction with VIN 0003, like correctly sold, bought, imported and taxed.

 

Heads up to Facebookies - A few updates regarding 0846 just went up a moment ago.






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As to certain desperate disinformative posts which claimed no stamps:

P 14 clearly states the gearbox Piper sold is "593A N7". The clear gearbox stamp on 0846's P3 gear box is the same.

P 80 clearly shows Le Mans scrutinising stamps on the P4 heads of 0846 today.

For comparison - P 84 shows Le Mans Scrutinising stamp (above the ZRE stamp) on P4 0856 and P 85 shows similar Le Mans Scrutinising stamps on P3/412P/330 Can Am 0844.


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The numbers on the gearbox Piper sold the car to Jim with are 573 520381.

Please could you show us the 593A N7 stamping. Thank you so much.
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Are you inferring that these parts were part of 0846 in period or just that these parts were in some Ferrari at Le Mans and have subsequently found their way to DP0003?

 

Amen, the story so far, summed up in one short factual statement.

 

Well...sorry if I nitpick...there was no 17-digit VIN on any Ferrari before 1980 (the first Ferrari road cars to have a 17-digit VIN were in the 30000 chassis number range).
And there is no VIN on a race car, only a chassis number.

Rgds