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Stephen Curry...Greatest individual season of all time? **POSSIBLE NBA SPOILERS!**

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  1. butcher

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    Unless the series dramatically turns (which as the Warriors proved can be done in the Western Conference finals), The debate for whether Curry or Lebron deserved the 2015-2016 MVP is really no debate-with Curry winning by a landslide...As many have echoed in this thread- a great team will usually beat a great individual. To contrast Curry and Lebron: Curry in all about the team, while Lebron is all about selfishly placing himself in the best position to create his legacy. Curry's motivation the past year has been to show all the naysayers that he and the Warriors TEAM were not lucky in winning it last years championship-as most people outside of Warriors fans have stated. Lebron's motivation was to get back to his 6th finals in row and win the 2015-2016 championship at all costs. He left Cleveland after feeling that he had no chance with the personel in Cleveland earlier in his career-even when he had been so far into the playoffs with the Cavaliers. He manufactured his Dream team with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosch and won 2 titles. It was well known that Lebron made life difficult for heat coach Eric Spoelstra, often not respecting the coach for his lack of NBA playing career, even though Spoelstra was a strong disciple of Pat Riley. Lebron almost got Spoelstra fired at one point, but the TEAM management was strong enough to support the coach. Lebron left the heat and went back to Cleveland and competed for a title in 2014-2015 with a loss to the Warriors. It was well documented how Lebron did not respect then coach David Blatt because Blatt was not a past NBA player and only had European coaching experience-even though he won several championships and was highly regarded by all those in the know. There were several occasions in last years finals where Lebron had disregarded Blatt's plays in the huddle and called his own plays-mostly isolation plays that the Dubs eventually figured out with the use of Iguadala. David Blatt had led the 2015-2016 Cavs to the NBA championship last year, to 1st place in the Eastern conference-and yet Lebron's pull got Blatt fired-even though he had done his job as well as anyone could have done...Imagine being fired from your sales job when you lead the West Coast in Sales for the 1st quarter? The firing of Blatt was just another senseless move that caters to these "all star" divas who feel the world is theirs. The Warriors are a breath of fresh air that screams to the world the importance of teamwork and the importance of professionalism and humility in everything that you do...

    The finals are not over yet, but it sure does not look good for Cleveland...
     
  2. Fast_ian

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    ^^ All very well stated, & agreed.

    I think I've noted previously, another thing I'm enjoying about the Dubs right now is they're having *fun* doing it! They genuinely seem to be a true *team* - From the water boys thru the bench & all the coaches, they're enjoying it! Fun stuff, even if you're not a Dubs fan.

    Cheers,
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  3. 95spiderman

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    Lebron was on miami, they are in finals. He leaves and they are in lottery.

    Simultaneously, while hes in miami, clev is in lottery but gets to finals when he returns.

    so no lebron equals lottery while having lebron means finals.

    not bad
     
  4. butcher

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    Yes Lebron is a great individual player, one of the all time greats...But, in a Team sport, he has never been a great team mate...Not bad...but his lack of trust in his team mates will likely get him another loss in the Finals this year...he has never leaned this lesson, but it is not too late...
     
  5. 95spiderman

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    it is so too late. need to win 4 of next 5 against gsw? don't think so

    but fact remains that LeBron has ultimate ability to make whatever team he is on better. bird, magic, mj, even curry had or will have hall of fame teammates. LeBron doesn't even get allstar teammates and still gets to finals
     
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    The Eastern Conference has been relatively weak for quite some time and it is no surprise Lebron has made it to the finals as consistent as he has. I don't recall any team giving him much of a challenge. D.Rose bulls team was supposed to be Lebron's nemesis. Rose's injuries destroyed those expectations. Melo sucks and so do the knicks. D. Wade is sort of just hanging in there to stay somewhat relevant. The fire and desire is gone. It has been pretty much a given Lebron will get to the finals, which kind of sucks for him because they're not ready. He'll probably make the finals next year. It's expected. Put him on any other team besides the Warriors on the West and it won't be so clear cut he'll make it all the way.
     
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    really? LeBron on okc or spurs might not make it? I would say 80 wins and sweep through playoffs
     
  8. TheBigEasy

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    Why stop at OKC.... LeBron should just be allowed to play on the All Star team through the regular season. That should win him a ring!
     
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    right....but what's his Finals record?
     
  10. 95spiderman

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    not good because he thinks hes the coach and gm too. only place he won it all is because pat reilly ran the show.

    bron is the one who wanted kevin love and the one who pushed for leu to coach. cavs have always answered to him in how team is made up and run. none of the all time greats did that.
     
  11. Fast_ian

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    Hmmm.... Are you sure there?

    I certainly don't claim any knowledge, but I strongly suspect Michael, Larry & Magic (among others over the years) had at least a little influence as to who their 'mates, and even coaches were. (?)

    Cheers,
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    well mj went ballistic when his bff Oakley was traded to ny. and threw another fit when kukoc came to bulls. luckily for him, ownership ignored him and did what was best for team. and mj became a legendary winner as a player. as the owner/gm of charlotte, not so much. and if mj couldn't get his way, impossible to believe the others did.

    unfortunately for bron, no one on cavs can stand up to him. his k love trade ensured Cleveland will not win it all
     
  13. butcher

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    Curry is the antithesis of what we have been discussing above about Bron...Stephen Curry, whilst still being the unanimous MVP is the ultimate team player so far in his career...despite his obvious physical limitations and propensity to be underestimated for most of his life, Curry has shown that hard work and patience can pay off-something even the most jaded individual's in the world can recognize and respect...that's why I am rooting for him to win his 2nd championship...It is good to see see the "good guys" can win doing things the right way...
     
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    I value team chemistry more than trying to build a team with a bunch of divas. I have lost faith in Lebron James. I think he's a pass first than a shoot first type of guy and that's the problem. He's a bit too passive and tries to get the ball to his teammates a bit too much and at the wrong time. It is not fluid offense. You have to be an offensive threat first if you want your teammates to get easy shots and that is what MJ and Curry did/does.

    Think about all the teams that valued getting "star" players as opposed to getting a solid group of guys to build team chemistry. The Blazers with Pippen Kemp, Rasheed Wallace had enough star players to build 2 All Star teams. Failed. When Lakers had Shaq, Kobe, Malone, Payton. Failed. When Lebron had Wade, Bosh, Allen... And were beaten by The Mavericks in their first year, and not to mention they almost lost to the Spurs twice. So just because you can throw Lebron in with a bunch other star players doesn't gaurantee a win... Especially against a team like the Warriors. In OKC , he will struggle to find chemistry with Westbrick and KD. And I have no idea what the Spurs would do with Lebron. They already have Kawhi Leonard. To match up against the Warriors, you need solid three point shooting... Alot of it. The Spurs have been my team for the last few years. I watched them religiously. They are no match for the Warriors... At this point. I'm still shocked OKC gave the Warriors a run for their money, but I believe Durant is a higher caliber player than Lebron at this stage in his career.
     
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    Not to mention he also helped push to get Tristan Thompson an 83 million 5 year contract. Unbelievable. Tristan Thompson sucks. He's not worth 8.3 million, let alone 83 million. Cavs are waay above the salary cap.
     
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    those 'all star' teams only got put together because the 'all stars' were way past their prime. Bron is still arguably best player in world and has a few years left despite being on the downside (from being arguably best of all time). he instantly makes any team a contender and would be first or second pick in an nba 'draft' when gms polled
     
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    Lebron is one of the greatest individual players in NBA history statistically. He is a physically dominant scorer averages approximately 30/game , and an all star caliber defender. He has lead 3 different teams to the NBA finals (early Cavs, Heat, current Cavs), and been to the NBA finals the past 6 years ( However he has only won 2/6 NBA championships).

    MJ is the greatest NBA player of all time, where he was the one of the best scorers of all time, known for developing his game as the years went on, averaging again approximately 30 points/game, an elite defender has been NBA defensive MVP, He has won 6/6 NBA championships. He had lead his Bulls team to the then greatest record of all time at 72-10, until the 2105-16 GS Warriors notched the current best record of 73-9.

    Another old Warrior (SF Warriors) was perhaps known as the greatest scorer of all time, Wilt Chamberlain. He once scored 100 points in a game (although as a Philly Warrior) and averaged approximately 40 pts and 20 rebounds/game. Wilt's biggest criticism was his lack of success at winning championships where he "only won" 2 NBA championships in his career, being outshined at the time by Bill Russell (Wilt's greatest rival) who won 11/11 championships at the time with Cousy and the rest of the great Celtic Teams in the 60's.

    Russell is usually not regarded as being in the top 5 all time for NBA individuals because he was not a dominant scorer averaging only 15 pts/game, but like Robert Horry in the 90's he is one of the greatest "winners" in NBA history.

    Curry resides under Jordan at this time, above Russell, and approaching Lebron, Wilt, Magic, Bird at a momentous pace...
     
  18. 95spiderman

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    Expected cavs opening salvo and gsw 2nd qtr comeback but shocked at 3rd qtr. Curry being invisible pretty surprising too. Clev hoping K love injury takes another week to heal. How did he used to put up 30 pts and 20 reb on reg basis?
     
  19. butcher

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    Yes, curry disappearing act is going to be open to a lot of criticism...
     
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    I thought CLE would win tonight. Gave it their all to not get swept. GSW will win Friday and close the series in 5.
     
  21. 95spiderman

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    +1

    But I expect a close game 4. Not another blow out. Never watched so much nba where every game is 20+ point differential. Both conference finals were like this too. Crazy
     
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    Once they feel like they can't win, they just quit and focus on the next game.

    Game 4 should be the best game of the series... if GWS wins, CLE will be broken and Game 5 will be a blow out.
     
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    Looks like this could go 7 games.
     
  24. 95spiderman

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    cavs did well preventing a sweep. going 7 would be an amazing feet
     
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    I don't care how much they deny it, Steph is hurt. He's not 100% at all.
    And if he was 100%, I don't know how much that would change things, I mean,
    him at 100% by itself won't guarantee them a championship.
     

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