FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX DU CANADA 2016: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

Talented driver no doubt but very lucky that he is driving the vastly superior car for the last three years and that the rules insure that continued superiority.

 

Sorry to ask, but do you intend to say that it is somehow Hamiltons achievement that the Mercedes is superior now because it sounds like that the way you said it.

Always? He just changed teams once in his life. I doubt that he knew that the 2007/2008 McLaren would be championship material when he came under the wings of Ron when still a small kid....

Let´s put it that way: Mercedes knew that they had big plans and that they were on a good way so after Schumacher left (who was certainly not what they hoped for and the public expected) they wanted one of the best drivers out there and as the way of McLaren did not really lead up Hamilton was available. I think Hamilton was convinced by Lauda that they will have a good future, so it is neither luck (he would have not been hired without his talent) nor genius, I would rather say a good gut feeling.

 

Schumi was always at merc to help develop the car, and what a job he had done! Don't disparage his achievements just because merc needed time to develop the car into what it became

 

"THAT" is racing.

 

+1 Spot on

 

This is not what I meant...There was a huge expectation in the public when Schumacher came back into F1 and I think Mercedes also (not only) did hire him for marketing reasons but unfortunately he could not fullfill the expectations. I do not mean he was bad at Mercedes but I do not think he worked the same "magic" he did in his first Ferrari years winning races in inferior cars. As for the development I think his input was a little bit limited by the fact he could not test as much as he wanted and I heard that he did not get used to the simulator stuff...

 

Actually towards the end he was really bad. Remember Barcelona or Singapore?

That's not exactly how it went down: Schumacher (once again as with Ferrari before) couldn't make up his mind whether he wanted to continue or not. At some point the team's/Lauda's patience run out and they hired Hamilton. That basically squeezed MS out.

It's merely an observation. Draw your own conclusions.

 

I did not tell different...left/was left does not make difference...They hired Hamilton as his successor...

Done...-> they did not improve that much because Hamilton came but Hamilton came because they had that potential to improve...Neither Hamilton did develop the Mercedes into what it is today nore did Vettel develop the RB that way. I think the last generation who really had that much input into the car with unlimited testing was Schumachers...

 

I remember Schumacher wanted to have a 2 year contract, Merc wanted to give only one.

Schumacher wanted to race under the new regulations. Schumacher knew what team Mercedes has built and how well they were placed with the development of the new car. After all the Mercedes endeavor was always aimed at the new regulations. Sure, they might have been surprised about how much behind they were initially.
So certainly Schumacher wanted one year with a shot at a leading car. He wanted to be able to race with the prospects Mercedes used to attract Hamilton.
You are a very bitter person. But I have been following the MAMG development closely back then. And you are welcome to go back into those years and read Ferraripilots predictions for the MAMG team. You owe all of us so many cases of beer and there is so many broom sticks you still need to eat for how wrong your predictions were.

The bottom line is that Schu had nothing to gain from one more year under the V8 car. But all glory waited under the turbo regulations.
He could have won a couple of races in a car that wasn't 'there'. China and Monaco come to mind. Rosberg owned him in Qualifying but he was always there in race pace.

I would have loved to have seen him challenge for another WDC in the turbo aero. That would have been absolutely a dream and a glorious end his second career. Unfortunately he wasn't able to harvest the fruits of what he contributed building.

Pretending that MAMGs fortunes changed when LewHam entered the team is ignorant at best.

 

You might be right but my view is that in a world where testing is very limited precise driver feedback is even more important than ever.

 

Incorrect. Mercedes wanted to re-sign MSC to another 3 year deal. They were very happy with him. When he couldn't make a decision it forced Merc's hand and they approached Lewis.

 

He was faster than Rosberg on race pace in 2012, tied him in qualifying and took pole at Monaco. We now know that Rosberg is as fast as Lewis Hamilton (maybe .1-.2 off depending on the day) so at age 43 MSC was very impressive IMO

Now that we have perspective about how good Nico is, it leads me to believe that in his prime MSC would have wiped the floor with Hamilton or anyone else on the grid

 

Merc didnt build those. MAMG did. A British F1 team aka garagiste. As Ferraripilot pointed out here many times.

Merc built a great engine

 

Lol, please. You said countless times on here that Mercedes as a factory team will not succeed in F1. Do not attempt to argue semantics now. Just eat your crow and move on.

Had Shumi stuck around he would have won another title and there would have been more crow to go around. Shame he didn't.

 

Year Nico pts. MS pts
2010. 142. 72
2011. 89. 76
2012. 93. 49

Says it all.

Regarding Nico vs Hamilton: 3 WDC to zero

 

You are still so bitter about MS. Bizarre. Really lazy analysis just looking at the points but we have already been down this road and anyone that knows anything about F1 realizes that it was much closer between the two than points indicate.

Anyway, as a MSC fan I guess I'll have to settle for 91 wins, 7 WDC and greatest of all time status. Oh well.

 

I don´t know who of you is right but that was not my point, theme was actually not Schumacher but Hamilton....
I just mentioned that Mercedes have chosen Hamilton as his successor because of his qualities so it is not luck for him to be in the car but a result of his previous successes...

The theme why Schumachers contract was not prolonged and bywhom is a completely different story (and honestly I do not know to much about that). I just think that Schumacher was not the same he was in his prime and this is not a surprise because I doubt many sportsmen are as good at 40 as they were at 25...

 

Agreed

 

Spot on. I seem to remember that some were expecting him to blow the opposition away when he came back, and I thought, and I think posted, that they really shouldn't expect too much. He was by then in his forties and had had a break from F1 - not an ideal combination.

 

Hi Pete, it wasn't your post I was having a dig at, it was a previous posters, apologies but I wasn't clear in my post, my fault!

 

Totally correct. Hambone wouldn't know which way schumi went if he was back in today's merc.... He's not fit to shine Michaels shoes, let alone be infested with the spirit of ayrton like he imagines

Schumi would be a ten times champion at the end of this year, neither Nico nor Elton would be able to keep up with the schumi monster back in a good car

 

Not this crap again!

In 2012, when the cars didn't break down and both drivers finished, MS had more points than Nico.

Get over it.

Hilarious to me that you were so wrong back then and now you try to rewrite history!

 

Sadly, I agree on Kimi. Regarding FA, however: NO THANKS. I'd take his driving, but he's a team-destroyer.

 

I think someone looped the beat vs beat in points on teams to make a not regarded as great driver in a > MS situation didn't they?

 

We will never know for sure...but what we know: Hamilton would have only tried once to push Schumacher (not to mention Senna) wide as he did with Rosberg several times....I think they would still pick up the carbon parts of the two cars from the track