2016 FORMULA 1 GRAND PRIX OF EUROPE: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

Don't think MB would spend millions of dollars to purposefully screw Hammy. The more plausible explanation is that hammys old crew is the better crew and just as hammy was the beneficiary over the last few years now it is nico's turn. Wouldn't be surprised that the crew would be part of a contract negotiation.

As for the tech, simplify it, or teach the drivers. I think the radio ban is fine as it is already too much of an engineering exercise.

 

Perhaps, perhaps if Hamilton hadn't taken HIMSELF out of qualifying by hitting the wall he would have started from the front and therefore had the same initial settings as Rosberg's.

Maybe, maybe, due to HIS OWN mistake, the settings were different to give him "more" early in the race so he could make up positions on the cars in front.

If he didn't hit the wall due to his own driving, the result may have been different, but, we'll never know because HE broke HIS OWN car during Q3.

 

If he would start driving like the number 1 driver they might stop making him sick.

 

No not purposeful. My feeling is merc support rosberg over Hamilton and as such gave him the more experienced crew. What is interesting is merc said their reasons for changing the crew is because a rift developed between the garage between the mechanics.They have now swapped the crews to make them support the other driver. Rosbergs old crew now work on Hamiltons car and whilst they won't intentionally make mistakes I suspect they don't like Hamilton so don't care as much to do over time and just do a mediocre job.

Over the last two years rosbergs crew never stuffed up his car - was still even then Hamilton who had the majority of reliability issues. This year it's been Hamilton every single time

Yes crashing was his own mistake. The team screwing up his settings was their mistake. That mistake cost him p2 or 3 instead of 5. Not sure what your point is

Hamilton was 4 tenths up on rosberg on sector 1 alone on his q3 lap and creamed him all weekend. Just unfortunate he pushed it too hard. His tyre hit the wall and The suspension snapped. Rosbergs tyre also hit a wall - a MISTAKE as you like to say - just lucky the consequences weren't as harsh due to the Angle it hit

 

Great summation of Kimi's weekend

 

The point in qualifying is not to be fastest at all points at the expense of being too fast into an accident, it's about balancing the limit of that speed so you finish the lap. Elton didn't this weekend. He also admitted to taking no time to familiarise himself with the track in the simulator, so he shows a lack of common sense, and lack of respect for his job, assuming he will turn up and ace a track no one has driven before. He got his just desserts.

I didn't see Elton smashing rosy at any point anyhow, rosy was comfortably quicker than every other driver out there, and getting a sector right means nothing if you can't get three right without crashing.

As for the issue in the car, pretty much all drivers have had issues this season, and none of them have been allowed coaching and tech support over the radio. Why should Elton be treated differently? He has to drive around the issues, or just bring the car back in whatever lowly position he can manage. If you expect us to believe now that his engineers, whether they worked for him, rosy, Vettel or Starbucks before, would purposely sabotage his settings before a race, well, I question the thought process that thinks it would or could happen. Merc spend millions at every race, yet we are to believe they wouldn't want their money's worth? Poppycock.

Elton had yet another bad weekend, just like he has had several already this year. His mental preparation is clearly being clouded by his late night fights in nightclubs, dates with justine, and generally seeing his unassuming, efficient, quietly competent team mate rack up points, and when faced with difficulties, simply have the sense to bring the car back in the highest points he could manage.

 

Everyone else happy that Toil's back? Only took one post by him to leave me ROFLing.

 

You knew it had to come after the weekend his favourite driver had

 

He can't possibly be serious...c'mon. He's got to be taking the p**s out of us all!

 

It seems to me that drivers are becoming irrelevant

It's all in the settings on a steering wheel that make you fast or not

In the interest of safety, drivers should be removed and the computers can drive the cars by GPS under remote control from software engineers.

 

Well, F1 is as much emotion as it is logic. Sometimes reason is absent.

Since the crews were directly swapped over, does that mean that, for the last several years, Mercedes has been favouring Hamilton over Rosberg and it therefore hasn't been a fair fight between them during the seasons Hamilton clinched his Mercedes titles?

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Not a bad idea - Next year's Grand Prix in Baku could be a night race because of how spectacular the city looks when the sun goes down. (Paddock Talk)

 

Sound post. A drivers worth is measured in how he reacts to problems at the moment and to maximize the result given the issue.

 

And again Williams high up in that list.

 

Amazing time....

 

@sid I'm not saying the pit crew purposefully sabotage Hamilton. My opinion is that because they dislike him they just do an average job which leads to mistakes. If the pit crew are behind the driver they will work 24/7 to get something ready and try their utmost best. Staff disengagement is a killer that's why most work places have engagement surveys

Love me or hate me this race thread was sure boring with all the bans this week. Just a few meagre pages of everyone agreeing with each other

I don't think Mercedes ever favoured Hamilton per Se. I feel that in order to sign him off McLaren they had to offer him an attractive package which included an experienced pit crew. Now he's won a few championships they are trying to give rosberg every advantage they can.

What I find interesting is that last year rosbergs pit crew made no mistakes for him. Their ineffectiveness is almost palpable this season. Bunch of ineffectual monkeys


The purpose of the radio ban has been severely misconstrued. It should not extend to having to remedy start settings that trained engineers could not get right in the first place. It should simply be used to change brake balance to save tyre deg and stuff like that without the team telling you. Seems the drivers Agree

Formula One?s team radio restrictions branded 'a joke' as drivers rally around Lewis Hamilton

 

Thanks, this was what I was trying to get across.

 

Record IIRC. Ferrari had 1.95 a few years ago. Absolutely crazy.

Personally, anyone above 2.0 is slacking .

 

Bob, like Andrew said, F1 is an emotional sport some times. Excuses for my post with rising emotions yesterday, next time you're here I'll buy you a pint.

(no I wasn't PM'ed by anyone)

 

This. 100%.

 

Bloody hell...welcome back Bas!

 

Interesting take from MB

Mercedes says engine error only cost Hamilton 0.2s per lap

 

I think that as usual, when the Mercedes is following, it's not as remarkable as when it's leading or qualifying.

 

What would you call it when a driver is provided most of the experience in the team on his side of the garage? If Hamilton's nearest championship rival was supported by "bunch of ineffectual monkeys" these last two seasons while he had been enjoying an experienced pit crew, does that mean the margin he has over Rosberg is not as large as previously thought?

It was unequal in Hamilton's favor for two years and now it's unequal in Rosberg's favor this season. If Hamilton is the kind of champion he portrays himself to be, this is merely an opportunity to rise up and overcome.

I would regard this as evidence that the manufacturers need to build their drivers cars that are more user-friendly in terms of technical setup and the drivers need more technical training about what they're driving. The radio ban is fine.

All the best,
Andrew.