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  1. 95spiderman

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    ok so LeBron has rabbit ears and takes things personally. his personality is a big part of what makes him the champion he is. just like that other super nice guy, mj

    maybe bron would be more beloved if he beat up a mistress, got arrested for illegal drugs or guns, maybe if he tested positive for steroids. maybe all of the above.
     
  2. bobzdar

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    LeBron Led The Cavs On One Of The Greatest Playoff Runs In NBA History | FiveThirtyEight

    If he manages a 3 peat in Cleveland, I think the debate about best player ever becomes a virtual toss up, but he needs two more follow ups to this one to get there. I think a big factor will be how his body holds up. He's got a ton of mileage on him, and we saw what happened to Kobe when it caught up to him. The fall off was fairly sudden and fairly steep, and LeBron has more mileage on him than Kobe did at his age, by a full season or two.
     
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    He is not a horrible person, but their are much better role models than Lebron James...
     
  4. 95spiderman

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    Interesting article, thanks

    I respect kobe for his drive to win but Barkley is insane ranking him above lebron.
     
  5. butcher

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    Barkley just loves to be relevant by criticizing the current top dog. He loves to make ludicrous opinions on why he disagrees with the general conception. He uses his image and susceptibility for people to really hate the guy to continue his career. Again, a very smart man who knows exactly what he is doing. Barkley tends to talk a lot of self feeding nonsense, but he is entertaining.

    The article is focused mostly on championships so Kobe rates above Lebron in this regard. Bill Russell is rated above Lebron and Kobe in this article due to Russell's 11 championships (even though he only averaged 15 points/game). I would consider Kobe and Lebron to be on relatively equal footing. I liked Kobe's style of play better than Lebron's. Lebron has singlehandedly carried his team more than Kobe. Kobe was ultimately more successful in championships. Both had that killer instinct in big games. Both are below Michael Jordan.

    Curry does not yet sit at the table of Lebron and Kobe in terms of overall legacy, as Curry only has a limited portfolio so far. This thread was only started to highlight Curry great season this year. However, in the playoffs, his performance did not match his regular season (and the Warriors special regular season).
     
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    He's too old to get to Jordan's 6 rings.
     
  7. 95spiderman

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    The counting of rings is ridiculous. Robert horry has 7 is he better than labron too? Role players on 60s celtics with multiple rings? Kobe was a volume shooter who is top 15/3rd team all time at best. Labron is 2nd best player all time/1st team all time. No comparison
     
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    You're right, titles don't matter, but finals MVP's do. That means you were top dog on a championship team. Robert Horry wasn't top dog on any of his teams, won no finals MVP's, so he's not anywhere in the conversation. For the rings to matter, you have to be top dog on your team, it doesn't push you into that conversation by itself. Russell won 10 rings, but he's not in the conversation of best ever because he wasn't much of an offensive player and wasn't top dog for those 10 titles.

    Jordan's 6 finals MVP's are double anyone else. He showed up biggest on the biggest stage 6 times.
     
  9. 95spiderman

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    yes the 6/6 is amazing and would have probably been 8/8 if he didn't play baseball instead. that's why hes goat

    but kobe only has 1 season mvp and 1 finals I believe. after mj comes LeBron, magic, Duncan, and few others who have 3 finals mvp. and only bron is 3/3 as mvp everytime he wins finals. combined with his 4 season mvp's that puts LeBron near top to me
     
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    Got to get to 4 rings before you can get to 6 ;)
     
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    These are valid arguments, I agree with you.
     
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    Kobe has 2 finals MVPs. I think Lebron's 3rd finals MVP pushes him past Kobe even though he's two titles behind. He never had another MVP caliber player on his team (Kobe had Shaq for his first 3, and Shaq won those 3 finals MVP's), though it's not like his current team is weak as he has 2 (fairly young) all stars with him.
     
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    Keep in mind Lebron got robbed of a Finals MVP last year, they said Igoudala shut him down but how is 35 pts and a near triple dub throughout six games 'shutting down'. He basically couldn't sustain and carry last seasons team to win. Curry didn't deserve the MVP last season - there were probably 3-4 other players who should've got it before him (including Lebron) but the fact that they did it give it to him forced the leagues hand in giving it to him this year considering he had a better season. MVPs should be more multi dimensional than curry in this league IMO. He got exposed in both last years finals and this years finals that physical life's on the line defense makes him basically a deadweight. He doesn't have anywhere close to MVP caliber defense and that was shown clearly this series. Curry is a great shooter with arguably the greatest release of all time but when you can beat him one on one he can't do anything since the whole point of his team is for him and Klay to get the double team and pass it to an open easy 3. Lebron salivates at the supporting cast golden state has because that's basically his team gameplan as well. I'd say there's only 2-3 players overall better than Lebron at this point Jordan/Magic/Big O. Jordan and magic are obvious and you definitely can't leave who should've been the first unanimous MVP for being the only player to average a triple dub for an entire season. Everyone else won't have all the records Lebron will have in the post season and reg season by the time his career is over (he needs two more triple doubles to pass magic all time in finals) and after this post season run he finally has that legacy with championships that he needed. I don't think he can ever eclipse Jordan legacy wise (the hypothetical 3 peat kind of brings it into a toss up). As far as decline LBJ has so far given no signs to his athleticism fading - he plays with better athleticism then most 19 year olds. The thing I foresee fading from Lebron which it already is starting to show is his shot. Probably around 35+ he'll basically be Magic when he was older and have no shot other then posting up. Glad my cities curse is finally broken, though. I've been a long time lurker and something as monumental as this will bring me out from my cave. :D
     
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    2 finals mvp but only 1 season mvp compared to 4 for LeBron. that ends the comparison to me
     
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    In reflection...

    Despite losing their last game of a magical season where they won more games then any team in history, the end of a magical season has been deemed a failure by most. Klay Thompson had stated before game 7 that anything but the title would be a failure, and Stephen Curry agreed with this. At the beginning of the 2015-16 season, the goal was clearly stated that the Warriors goal was to repeat as champions. Steph Curry had said that the close-knit Warriors banded together for a common cause. After they had won the title in 2014-15, all the critics continued to say that the Warriors won the title by luck. Many stated that due to not playing the Clippers, and Spurs (A perennial playoff power-who the warriors had rarely beaten and never won in San Antonio in over 20 years- just missed the 2015 playoffs). The critics said they were Lucky when they beat Memphis when Mike Conley went down with an injury. They said that they were lucky when Kevin Love went down before the finals. They said they were lucky when Kyrie Irving went down early in the finals and then everyone said the Warriors would likely sweep the Cavs who "only" had Lebron. Lebron mounted a heroic effort, and guaranteed the championship because, "he was the best player in the world." The Warriors won in 6 games and the talk continued through the offseason...Many went so far as to say the Warriors 1st NBA championship in 40 years deserved an asterisk because of their luck...Luck despite actively beating teams lead by Anthony Davis, Marc Gasol, James Harden, and Lebron James (4 out of the 5 2015 1st Team All NBA players- the 5th member was Steph, himself).

    "Strength in numbers" was the motto for the TEAM during 2014-15 season, and the 2015-16 Team was generally made up of the same cast. Curry had said the the lack of respect for winning the 2014-15 title helped fuel the fire that became the magical 2015-16 regular season. The team felt it best to continue the 2014-15 motto “Strength in numbers” because their mission was not complete. They had extra motivation coming out of the block- wanting to prove to everyone that they were a team worthy of the championship. They played a brand of basketball that seemed “effortless” and “fun” with championship caliber defense and a “new-brand” of offense that included frantic cuts and innovative screens and an expanded range of shot-making. The team broke dozens of records and cruised to 70 wins and Curry was named the 1st in history unanimous MVP…Again the naysayers claimed that Curry wasn’t deserving of the unanimous award despite all the records, all the clutch moments, all of the effect on popular culture. NBA Legends said that Steph was ruining the game…they said that Steph could not play in their time… they said that if Steph hit 27 footer over them they would punish him…The current NBA players and it seems the NBA officiating collective has subsequently listened. ..After being named Unanimous MVP, the league got rough…off the ball holding of Curry and new found attention to so calling “illegal screens” worked to make Steph’s space even tighter…After cruising to 70 wins, the warriors lost 2 games in one week. Many felt that it might be best to rest the team for the playoffs and not worry about the season wins record-as the chase for the title had always been the TEAM’s goal. Kerr has stated he was against chasing the wins record, but after a team meeting, the players fuel continued to drive them and they struggled the last week and hit the wins record of 73 on the last game of the season…

    As everyone has seen, the 2015-16 playoffs was anything but a cakewalk for this previously “unbeatable team.” Against Houston, came Steph’s injuries to the foot, ankle and knee…They lost one game with controvery due to a James Harden push-off that was not called as time expired. They struggled to beat barely .500 Blazers that was competive to the point where the Warriors actually trailed for most of the series. Steph had a miraculous effort coming back from injury and scoring 15 points in overtime in one game. The OKC series was legendary with Steph being severely outplayed by Westbrook in the first half and Westbrook laughing and shaking his head at Curry when a reporter had asked him if he felt Curry was an underated defender who lead the league in steals. Curry played well in games 5,6, and 7 averaging over 30 points a game and seemingly returning to form. After game 7, Westbrook refused to shake Curry’s hand and everyone just said, there was no problem in it that it was just “Westbrook being Westbrook.”

    The Cavs series does not need to be rehashed…Lebron took it upon himself to prove to the world that “he was the top dog in the NBA” and took on a personal mission to show everyone that “he was not gone, that he had not lost a step, that he had not lost his crown, that he was the underdog” When Curry was asked about the talk of taking Lebron’s crown, He was having none of the hype…He promptly said, “ I don’t want Lebron’s crown, I am all about chasing a title for my team.” Every big Lebron play on Steph drew a taunt that never received a warning or foul. Every call seemed to go Lebron’s way with the 6’8’’ Lebron “flopping ” on top of the barely 6 foot Curry after a clean swipe of the ball to get him thrown out of a game.

    It was a 7 game series decided in the last minute of the last game, with the Warriors final’s MVP Draymond Green siting out Game 5 for a “retaliatory swipe that did not connect” Many have criticized the Warriors and particularly Stephen Curry for choking in the finals, and for chucking up 3 point prayers to try to win game 7 when no team could score for 5 minutes in a tie game with the game winding down…In the regular season, these “prayers” established Curry’s legend. In reflection…if any one of those prayers would of went in, we may very could have been talking about how Stephen Curry made the shot to win the game…win the series… Win the crown-being “the best of all time behind MJ”. Make no mistake, Steph Curry’s 2 year goal was to finish the “Strength in Numbers” mission.

    Stephen “Wardell” Curry has handled the playoff struggle and loss with class…after the game-never once complaining about how things have turned on him like officiating, NBA off court suspensions, game 6 ejection, talk of choking, or even a left open Harrison Barnes going 2/26 in games 5, 6, and 7. I do not think it was particularly his fault that they lost this series. He is a quiet leader, a leader by example. He simply states that he wishes he had played better and extends his congratulations to Lebron and the Cavs, and thanks to the “Dub Nation” that supported him. He makes no excuses, and I (as well as Ayesha Curry) don’t feel any shame in making the excuses for him…

    Though your 2015-16 season may not be the best individual NBA season of all time, The season was definintely not a failure…Not by anyone’s standards…even amongst one of your lofty standards…Your play and class have inspired a generation of fans...
     
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    Good post but with some understandable bitterness. Draymod deserved his suspension and shouldve had one vs okc too. Refs did not cause splash bros to put up absurdly bad shots for a low percentage. Curry actually took a 3pt teardrop! He made it but thats a shot for the all star game not finals. Physical d didnt effect little kyrie one bit. He out played steph by a mile. Steph has come up small in both his finals and must work to improve that. He will too

    Okc almost won by matching gsw offense. Other teams occasionally did that over last 2 years so dubs knew how to handle it and won. Cavs really frustrated dubs with their defense which was something nobody else was ever able to do. Gsw got flustered like mike tyson when he lost that first match. He was never hit before bc everyone was so scared of him. Similar to dubs.

    imo, best part of gsw game was the open layups in the 1/2 court set with all the cuts and backdoor passes. Did it some vs cavs and were successful with it but shouldve done it much more. Thats where bogut loss comes in maybe. Instead they lived and died by the 3.

    next year will be interesting. Dubs will probably win 80 now that theyre so pissed
     
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    Surprising to see clev fan put magic ahead of bron. Bron was a much better shooter than magic despite have a bad shooting season this year. Bron is a top scorer while magic never was. Bron averaged 30 for a season, had a 40% season fom 3pts, 56% overall, etc.

    And forget the difference in athleticism. The bron block on iguodala was maybe best defensive play in history could only be made by him.

    magic is best pg ever and starts on alltime team with bron at small forward but bron is 2nd best player on that team. Mj, magic, kareem, bron, duncan.
     
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    Flopping or no flopping...and don't act as though GS players didn't flop, it went to 7 games. GS was up 3-1, and 3 of the 4 games Cleveland got up by what at least 20 points?

    GS choked. Period.
     
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    That's exactly what they did, they were throwing up prayers for no apparent reason. There was 3-4 minutes left in the game, they had time to set-up a high percentage shot, but elected to continue bombing 3's that wouldn't fall.

    Game 7 wasn't the regular season, it was the championship game.

    In the regular season, the "prayers" established his legend, but in the Finals they established his choke job.

    Live by the sword, die by the sword....

    But, none of those prayers went in, did they? "If" the Queen had balls then she would be the King.
     
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    Yes, some players "choked" as you say.

    Yes, the shots put up in the last 4 minutes were low percentage shots with long 3's.

    Still, they had the game tied through the last 5 minutes of the game playing championship defense with supreme effort.

    They had the ball in their best players hands attempting to make the winning shot...the MVP was not scared of taking that shot...

    The Cavs were also playing out of this world defense in the end, then Kyrie took a low percentage shot to win the Universe...

    The only difference is that Kyrie made it and Curry didn't.

    Many have said all year that Steph's crazy shots were only bad shots for someone other than Steph or Klay....if you watched Curry all year you would know that those shots made him who he was, He is the greatest 3 point shooter of all time, period-those shots are easier to him at times than a lay up...In the final mioments he was attempting to be Steph Curry and not letting the Cavs dictate how he plays...the great players will "take the shot". If the shot goes in, no one complains about he shot.

    Bottom line-they didn't go in.
     
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    Yes, the Golden State Warriors failed. Yes I am bitter about Lebron's antics. This is not RH point of posting that link.

    I assume you think his behavior is appropriate? He is the face of the NBA now-is this appropriate behavior for all the kids watching him? Lebron surely is being a goodwill ambassador, doing his duty to make the world a better place.

    Behavior like this is why I have rooted against him-even before he played against my team the past 2 years in the finals. I don't wish I'll will on him. I just wish someone as gifted and fortunate as him would be a better person.
     
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    curry gets a pass on the bombs that didn't fall because they did fall for the last 2 yrs. no problem

    the problem is his turnovers capped by the pass behind the back at end of 7 that went out of bounds. inexcusable for a rookie let alone 2 time mvp at end of game 7! shows total mental breakdown due to pressure of the situation. all series he said I have to play smarter, then he played dumbest of all! definition of choke job.
     

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