Well...my bet is whole new platform within 4 years. So lusso and 12m has only 3 years production run. 12m can be hybrid.
Sorry for my ignorance, I'm looking to get an f12 however I would wait for the M if it were awd since I plan on making this a daily driver. Any facts whether this will be awd.
Next 9 months is going to be VERY interesting. With talk of the Huracan SL shown in Paris in September and the McLaren P14 at Geneva in March as well as the Porsche GT2 RS (probably) shown in Geneva, Ferrari really do need to do something awesome in 2017. Both the Huracan SL and GT2 RS are direct competitors to the 488 "Speciale". In addition P14 will probably be stupendously fast and Ferrari will IMO need to fast forward the 488 Speciale or it will become irrelevant. So question really is: Is showing the F12M and nothing else between now and post Geneva wise or will Ferrari pull a "rabbit out of the hat". I think they will.
That's only comparing the mid rear v8 segments. The f12m, updated Lusso, final versions of Cali t etc hav to be taken into consideration as well. Plus a laf spider on the stands wouldn't hurt. And probably announcing the next updated version of the 488.
Who knows. For now I'm having too much fun with my GT3 RS to really care. Finally, a Porsche that moves me as much as an F car. If not, possibly, a bit more.
What is the new platform excepted in 2020 ? I purchased my F12 in 2012 (Nov 2012) and it is due to be completely changed in 2018. If the new F12 will be released in Geneva l, I will be definitely invited, but I got no information from my dealer in Saudi until now. If I am buying the new F12 in 2017, I do not expect the model to change until 2024 ??. While chatting last month with a ferrari salesman, he indicated that the new F12 will feature a similar configuration to LaFerrari. Honestly, this is what I am excepting. Any news ? Or confirmations ?
You could ask what is the new platform in 2030-how would anyone here have a clue at this stage, Ferrari themselves probably haven't decided. There are a few threads about what we expect in 2017, not 2018, and what Montpelier says is correct and the chances are that model will stay current until around 2020/2021. That car may well feature a hybrid element similar to LF but to speculate that far out is just that, pure speculation.
I think you may be confusing all wheel steer to all wheel drive. Yes to the former, no to the latter.
Another question to add is this. Where are you located and is this your first new V12 Ferrari? If that's the case, depending on country and location, you could wait as long as to the end of 2018 before you see your car. But in any case, if you want a 4wd Ferrari for daily use, the Lusso or a used FF is the ticket.
i just recently heard the lusso 4wd is only 4wd in 4th gear and lower. was it that way on the ff also? what is the logic behind this?
That's true. The logic, or the limitation if you will, lies in the power transfer case/unit (basically a 2 gear gearbox) which powers the front wheels. The rationale behind that is that at higher speeds AWD is not needed. Remember that this is supposed to be a GT capable of reaching snowy mountain resorts, not a real all roader. Ferrari went down that route in order to minimise weight and power losses. It's a brilliant system given its mission statement.
Right you are. The logic behind it is the system is there to help you get traction in tricky situations (and ideally you will have snow tires if you are driving in snow) but typical AWD systems add quite a bit of weight and the added weight is more up front- just where you don't want it. Ferrari go to great pains to get all their cars to have a rear biased weight distribution. So Ferrari did something really quite smart and unique. They hang a small PTU (power transfer unit) off the engine and it allows the motor to drive the front wheels with I believe up to 90% of the power of the motor. And the weight penalty is about ½ that a typical AWD system. I also think its faster to respond than typical AWD. But it only connects in gears 1-4. Its really just a matter of the speed you're going. Top Gear did a video on the FF vs a Bentley (with its full time AWD) and sure the Bentley did better on a snowy track at stupid speeds- but the idea here is- who in their right mind will be driving those speeds on a public road... The Ferrari system is quite smart.
Exactly. If one drives fast enough in ice and snow so that 4wd in fifth gear or higher is needed, you're driving too fast. I mean the FF does about 110 kph in fourth gear @ 4k rpm. If you need more than that on a snowy curved road, you don't need a Ferrari. When you drive at highway speeds 4wd is useless and if you think you need it due to harsh conditions, just keep the car in fourth.
All this coupled with 6.5 NA V12. In other words. It's going to be pretty damn good this. Shouldn't be anything outrageous styling wise either, which is what I really like about the F12 (which is a little unlike me).
BTW, what's the over/under on quad rear lights a large lusso? That would look absolutely amazing I reckon
If this car has 6.5L V12 (NA), AWS, and 800HP, how are F12 TDF owners' going to feel?? I predict AWS and close to, or similar to, TDF power, GTC4 Lusso style interior, and possibly 4 rear lights. if it's an "M", then i don't see it as an entirely new car or a 90% new - a la GTC4 Lusso:FF the name will be intersting - hopefully they either keep it based on technical data or a simple name (one word)
TDF will have its own appeal , I suspect many owners will want an F12M too, though styling will be an interesting aspect, as FF to GTC4 has caused some to like it more, some to prefer FF. I am expecting an extreme F12M, the numbers quoted are notable.
Correct. Given the styling move from FF to Lusso, I wouldn't be surprised to see more of similar evolution from F12 to M, as Montpelier suggests, in short something more substantial. This is not the standard mid life handling pack update.
Ferrari is truly on a roll at the moment. Everything they make is just superb isn't it. Ok, personally I wouldn't buy a Cali T for myself, as I believe it suits the fairer sex more or just more relaxed driving, but I wouldn't be embarrassed driving it. If you wander into the Ferrari dealer and have to order a new Ferrari today, you're going to walk away with something pretty spectacular, I reckon.
Presumably the same way that 599 GTO owners felt when the F12 came out. Ferrari doesn't stand still. Progress is the name of the game.
