FORMULA 1 GROSSER PREIS VON ÖSTERREICH 2016: RACE *** SPOILERS ***

I don't get why we are debating Ham v Ros. The issue was not caused by them, it was caused by garbage Merc strategy, the consequence of which was the coming together of two drivers who should never have been in the same place at the end of the race. If there is something Merc need to do, it's sort out their race management not impose team orders.

Having said that, that last few laps were the second best of the century - second only to JBs magnificent victory over Vettel in Canada a few years ago...

 

Why do you say that?

Last year, the second half of the season he clearly outpaced Sainz in quali. This year, the first 4 races with TR he beat Sainz with 3-1

Now with the Red Bull, the time difference in quali with Rici is getting less by every event. Give him a few more races and he will be equal with, or pass Rici.

In race pace he was faster than Rici from the very first race on.
Translated into points: Max scored 59 in his 5 races for RB. Rici in the same 5 scored 52. And that's what really count IMHO

I admit, i'm a fan of Max but he's currently simply performing better than Rici, already.... And please do remember that we are still talking about an 18 year old driver with less than 3 year single seater experience...

Max could end up beating all records.

 

He can do great things Max - if he has the right car. Just ask FA

 

Maybe something was lost in translation, but I'm a big fan of Max. Max not being as quick in qualifying is not a criticism, it is how it is. Most of the time there was almost nothing in between the two in 2015, going from Silverstone onwards I count it 6-2 to Verstappen (exclusing mechanical failures), but the times he edged Sainz it was mere hundreds between them mostly.

Schumacher wasn't a very strong qualifier either after parc Ferme rule came into place (i.e. no longer a quali setup and then change to race setup), as he was smart enough to compromise his qualifying speed and set his car up to go faster during races. Seems to have worked out for him rather well. Max is doing the same. Sacrifice some quali speed, earn more points on Sunday.

I've followed max a bit in F3 (normally don't care for the crash fest but wanted to see what he was getting up to). This guy is destined for great things and Red Bull and everyone else with a decent bit of F1 knowledge knows that too.


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Why do the Dutch always need to defend Max at every f'ing corner? Can't take a bit of criticism? It's only going to get worse, this. Lewham supporters started exactly the same way years ago. Make an observation about him in 2007 and they started jumping down your throat.

 

+1

This.

What was the gap between the two when Lew came out of the pit? More than 1.7 or less?

+1, as I write below a small summary of his race. Why he needs to go I just don't understand.

Why? Another good quali at a tenth back from Seb, did what he needed to do during the race, he got 2nd and Vettel didn't make a dent in clear air. It was Ferrari strategy that made the difference, would've cost the podium. Max even said 1 more lap and Kimi would've passed him. So a mistake in strategy now warrants Kimi's imminent exit. Funny.

Fingers crossed!

 

Toto Wolff says Austria clash won't impact Nico Rosberg contract talks

 

I guess you are also expecting that Nigel Farage chappie becoming the next PM?

 

Personal attack.

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All the best,
Andrew.

 

Great observation. I really like Rosberg and like that he's being more aggressive, but he needs to practice the aggressive moves and squeezes in the simulator a bit more.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

They seem to learn from eachother:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8D6JSHamXo

Hamilton didn't receive any penalty's at COTA 2015, so Rosberg getting punished at Spielberg is a farce. Another race control inconsistency/cock up.

 

Yep. Though no doubt we'll be getting the ''it was wet so he understeered''excuse, hamilton, similarly to Rosberg here, made very little attempt to make the apex. Brake issue, too much speed because of that. We all know he was going to run him wide, brake issue or not. Had he been a little bit smarter about it he could've bumped Lew over the kerbs.

 

all in all nicole screwed up for not successfully taking out louis

still much to learn nicole..still much to learn

 

maulaf made a point I've read elsewhere - the difference between USA 2014 and Austria 2016 is that Hamilton ran wide to the exit, after the apex, at COTA, whereas Rosberg at Austria didn't turn in to the apex and prevented Hamilton from turning in to the corner at all without colliding.

If Rosberg had made the apex and then run wide to track out, that would have been legit and not penalized. Problem is, Hamilton was ahead after braking, might have been alongside or slightly ahead at the exit? Really, Rosberg buggered it bumping over the apex curb at T1 and let Hamilton get a run at him. Trying to salvage his position and recover from his own T1 screwup at T2 was just desperation.

 

Hopefully MB can organize a graceful exit from F1 for Nicole ....ok maybe give him 1 more year then off to DTM,then he can bump into who he likes.

 

They where saying it won't make a difference on negotiations.

Doubt he'll go to DTM, he'll do FIAWEC after this if anything.

 

LH has a fine bumper car history. Nico has been winning and bringing points. LH cant figure out his car in Baku and Nico should be let go?? Without the Mercedes car LH and Nico would be where???

Kimi is the only major driver who is in jeopardy currently.
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Toto Wolff says Austria clash won't impact Nico Rosberg contract talks

--Rosberg, who was blamed for the incident by the FIA's stewards, is in the middle of contract talks with Mercedes to extend his stay beyond the end of this season.

But when Wolff was asked what impact it would have on the talks, the Mercedes boss said: "No, nothing. The contract is a long-term decision and isn't influence by a race incident."--

 

It doesn't matter if they've made the apex (in both cases they didn't IMO, see other COTA angles), the rules doesn't even mention it.

The reasoning of Race control for giving Rosberg a penalty was that Rosberg prevented Hamilton to race, which is applicable on both cases. Furthermore in COTA's case after having wheel to wheel contact Hamilton even forced Rosberg off track limits. Which is litteraly written in FIA F1 rules to be an offence.

 

Yep, a half-hearted attempt by Rosberg to block his cheeky team mate.

If you want to do that Nico, you got to do it good, and not end up being the victim of the manoeuvre whilst the other guy gets the win!!

After all, Elton showed you how to do it in Spain !!

 

Could've been Hamilton that had to suffer damage just the same, front wing, flat tyre....

 

Nico went full montoya...
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx9W3pNdSR0[/ame]

 

What a great race! Thoroughly enjoyed it.

 

I think the difference is this: if you squeeze someone out at the exit, you're giving them the decision to either yield the battle or go off track. That's just hard racing and has been enacted numerous times.

Bypassing the apex to push the other car off is just that...a deliberate attempt to eliminate the car you're dicing with.

Rosberg has heard all the criticism and the team has probably told him to be more aggressive in defending his position. It's not a natural part of his driving skill set, so he's had a few ham-handed attempts at it.

Conversely, I think LH executes it the way it's drawn up...engage the other car going into the corner and make your car REALLY wide upon exit. Either they must yield position or end up off the Tarmac. It's a smooth and gradual move versus a sudden and clunky one.

There is an art to doing it at 150+ mph. Rosberg still needs work on it.

 

Rosberg needs to have a look at the Canadian GP. Masterclass at defending by Max

 

Looking back at old GP footage of the 60s, it doesn't seem that drivers were defending so much, so aggressively, when they were caught. In many instances, being caught meant that you were slower anyway, and the tendency was to yield and let the faster guy go by.

It maybe why there were no blue flags then ...

Happy days !!

 

Well said