Nicole Simpson's Ferrari? Did I buy it?

LMAO. Stop it man, it's too much. You're embarrassing yourself. I heard that Elvis is still alive too.

 

OJ testified under oath in the civil trial. He said that he never owned Bruno Magli shoes. Then the plaintiff's attorney showed several photographs of OJ wearing Bruno Magli shoes, prior to the murders. OJ still claimed they were not his shoes. He was obviously lying about that.

Fuhrman knew where OJ lived, because he had been there for prior domestics. And cops don't always need a warrant. Depends on the situation.

Cops planting evidence ? Did they plant the Bruno Magli shoeprints ? Did they plant the same exact type of gloves that Nicole had purchased for OJ ? Never met a cop that smart.

If they were smart, they would have dug up the pictures of OJ wearing the shoes before the criminal trial.

 

Did not follow civil trial so I take your word for it. But many manufacturers use that same sole for their shoes apparently. And there were two different (distinct) footprints in the blood.

Re gloves: So did this receipt that Nicole kept for all those years actually cite the MAKE and SIZE of the gloves as someone insinuated above. I doubt it. And if he cut his finger how come there was no cut in the glove?

Perhaps he was at the scene but I still don't think he was the perp.

And finally back to the original topic of this thread: "NBS" car failed to make reserve this time around. The "usual" bidders were absent and bidding closed at $31K. If a "celebrity owned" 3.2 Mondial Coupe with a fresh service cannot bring 32K, and other 3.2 cabs including one in Canada that has a recent head-to-toe mechanical update and the "other" white 3.2 Cab California car can't bring similar money, then I conclude that the recent appreciation cycle has turned. The last notable sale was the Rosso Rubino CA 3.2 Cab (that was also originally white celeb owned, seemed impeccable), at $42K.

 

If you watch the video in the link, they talk about the evidence, and the civil trial. It's actually pretty interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5m0QFmMUMI

With regards to the gloves, the credit card receipt mentions that brand - Aris Isotoner, but not the size. I think it's safe to assume for OJ, it would be a larger size. A clerk from Bloomingdales, and an exec from Aris Isotoner testified at the criminal trial. Photos have also turned up of OJ wearing those gloves prior to the murder.

Good point on the cut. The cut was on his left hand, and the left hand glove was found at the crime scene. The right hand glove was found at Simpson's house. He probably lost the left glove in the struggle with Goldman, before he cut his hand. He didn't take the time to look for it before he left the crime scene in a hurry. Never heard of there being 2 different footprint types at the crime scene.

The odds of Fuhrman carrying around a pair of XL Aris Isotoner gloves, so he could frame OJ when someone else killed his wife are rather slim.

Look, the evidence against OJ was overwhelming. The cut, the gloves, the shoes, the blood evidence, the timeline, he had no alibi, he never testified in his own defense. The defense won the case by moving the venue from Santa Monica to downtown LA, so they could get a black jury. Black juries don't convict black defendants. The prosecution could have done a better job, but I don't think it would have made any difference.

On the car, I don't think you can make any market conclusions on 1 listing. And Ebay, may not be the best place to get top dollar for a Ferrari.

And the lack of phone installation, or antenna, makes me think this was not the NBS Ferrari. If there were 14 made in that color scheme, probably half of those went to the US.

 

Both gloves left at crime scene (professional perp). Furman took one the next am, smeared it on the car, and planted it at OJ's house. He did jump the fence. Possible? Or perp planted it there to throw off the cops? Or perp dropped it there after meeting with OJ after the fact? Reasonable doubt.

 

Kato testified that he heard thumps on his wall @ 10:40 P.M. That's where the glove was found, and long before the cops arrived.

There were about 14 cops at the crime scene before Fuhrman showed up. They witnessed the 1 glove. They witnessed the trail of blood drops leading away from the house, and on the gate. Cops other than Fuhrman collected, and tested that blood. Any conspiracy to plant evidence, or falsify reports would have to include dozens of cops, and members of the prosecutor's office. All of which had to keep their stories straight, and their mouths shut about any conspiracy. Not very probable.

Also, was just watching some old footage, and OJ actually had 4 cuts on his left hand, and 7 abrasions. When initially questioned about how the cuts got their, he said he had no idea how they got there. He later said that he smashed a glass in his Chicago hotel room. However, that story doesn't explain Kato's sighting of blood drops in the house, and the blood drop on the door of the Bronco, which were there before OJ left.

Also, any professional killer would have had to have the same size 12, and make of shoes on as OJ owned. And had been wearing the same Aris Isotoner gloves that Nicole had purchased for OJ. What are the chances of that ?

 

I guess we will find out, if the LAPD ever checks out the serial killer's version of events. They have his prints, blood, and shoe size. All they need to do is to check it against the forensic evidence. Also they can check his version against the facts. I believe they are obliged to follow it up as they don't have a conviction, ie the case is still open.

On the car, if it's really hers, someone will come forward and confirm the VIN. Mechanics, insurance clerks, car salesmen, DMV clerk, court clerk, lawyers, lawyers' clerks, the Brown family, her kids, they all know the VIN and/or the disposition of NBS car.

The more interesting question is who has the plates? The dealer in CA would not have thrown them out. Perhaps the Brown family kept them when they sold the car, if they sold the car.

Meanwhile I "rest my case".

 

Here is the problem with the whole "Furman planted the gloves" theory:

Being called out in the middle of a random night in June to help investigate a crime scene, Furmam would have HAD to know, on the spot, that OJ had no alibi in order to plant evidence framing him. To think that Furman without that knowledge, would scurry around finding some gloves to tinker with, is laughable. To frame OJ and find out within a few hours that OJ had an alibi, Furman would have been committing career suicide and gone to jail. Furman might have been racist, but he wasn't stupid.

Of course, it would turn out that OJ didn't have an alibi, but that fact would have been essentially impossible for Furman to know at the crime scene, so the planted gloves bit simply isn't plausible. Since that theory was the cornerstone of the defense, this case is closed in my book.

Of course, the jury never had any intent whatsoever to actually deliberate the mountain of evidence and the lunacy of the various defense theories.

 

Good thinking there Husker, I did not consider that .. however Fuhrman knew the OJ/Nicole situation well enough to connect the dots; and further could have planted the glove after he spoke to Kato and established that OJ was at home the previous evening after having dinner with Kato, ie having no good alibi.

When the truth comes out we will probably all be wrong. There is another entire theory that OJ's son did the deed. So we have at least three obvious suspects at this time (OJ, his son, his hired thief), plus another "generic" drug world suspect.

 

To say he knew their situation isn't true. He answered ONE domestic violence call at OJ's home - almost a decade earlier in 1985. For him to be waiting in the wings 9+ years to frame OJ on a random summer night, again not knowing that OJ didn't have an alibi that night, just isn't plausible.

As a side note, OJ tried to establish his alibi in a polygraph test, which he flunked miserably.

 

Occam's Razor.

Fuhrman and Vannatter went to OJ's house to notify him of his wife's murder, and to find someone to look after his kids, who were still sleeping at Nicole's place. They found the Bronco parked haphazardly with one wheel on the curb. A closer look showed there was blood on the door of the Bronco. It was not unreasonable for them to think that someone inside that house was injured, or in danger. No one answered the doorbell. That's when Fuhrman jumped the fence.

And even if Fuhrman did plant the bloody glove at OJ's house, OJ still has no alibi, cuts on his left hand, owned the same size and brand of shoes at the murder scene, owned the same brand of gloves at the murder scene. Also, you still have the blood, and DNA evidence from the crime scene which was not collected, or analyzed by Fuhrman. Any conspiracy to frame OJ, would have necessarily involved dozens of other officers.

Even after being shown 30+ pictures of himself wearing the Bruno Magli shoes, OJ still claimed that he never owned, or wore Bruno Magli shoes. It's laughable. He's a liar, and a murderer, and will probably get paroled next year for "good behavior" in prison.

 

What about the tire slashing .. that was apparently a month before the murders? OJ was suspected. Fuhrman was on vacation when that happened?

Parking a vehicle with one wheel on the curb is not a felony. Neither is cutting your finger.

Can someone please clarify WHOSE blood was found in/on the Bronco? Only OJ's? OJ's and both victims? A fourth person's? Note almost all of the blood in the Bronco was on the passenger side including the footwell and the headrest .. with the notable exception of one drip near the driver side exterior door handle. This would support the theory that OJ gave the killer a ride to/from NBS house. Or that OJ had a getaway driver.

BTW the blood trail at OJ's residence (leading from where Bronco was parked up drive to front door) does not support the theory that he went anywhere near area where the glove was found. So whoever thumped on the wall it was not OJ It's possible the killer left the premises by that route to avoid the limo driver, and that he dropped glove while jumping fence. But why no blood on fence?

 

Russ managed to derail this thread into an excellent example of the importance of jury selection. All the defense has to do is get one crazy person to believe a crazy fabricated conspiracy theory and the client walks.

I drove the mondial to lunch today. Mine was never owned by anyone famous. (Except Joe Z here on f-chat).

 

How in the world did they get the entire LAPD to play along with the set up on a moment's notice - ALL of them that showed up at the crime scene that evening?

How did they know where OJ was? This won't work if he is somewhere else surrounded by people. How did they know he was even in town? How did ALL the cops know he was in town and they should all go for it and frame him the moment they pulled up?

You are suggesting that every police officer at the crime scene decided to put their family and life and career on the line by planting evidence to frame someone that, frankly, many liked without even knowing if he had an alibi that was unshakable.

 

How did the LAPD erase the real killer's DNA from the blood and replace it with OJ DNA?

The "contaminated blood" diversion by the defense was hilarious but obviously worked.

(hint: if you contaminated blood it becomes LESS similar to the owner, not more).

 

From the limited amount of post-trial comments from the jury, my guess is that the average IQ on there was well south of 100.

 

Actually I read someplace that there was an unidentified 4th person's fingerprints at the scene, along with a second set of men's footprints. Not sure about blood.

"Contamination" in this context meant they mixed up the samples, not that they introduced some foreign blood into the samples. So for example they had a sample of blood they knew was OJ's. They had samples of blood found on glove and car and at scene. If they did not keep them clinically separate then they cannot infer anything. There was evidence that they failed to keep them separate, ie they got them mixed up.

Prosecution had their opportunity to scrub the jury.

I don't know that the entire LAPD showed up at once. I thought it was just Fuhrman and another officer who went to investigate in the early morning, and then went to OJ's house immediately from the murder scene. After speaking to Kato that morning, Fuhrman found the glove between fence and wall of Kato's apt.

What's the prosecution's theory as to how the glove ended up between the fence and Kato's apt? With no other blood in that area? The blood trail was in the driveway between front gate and front door. Nowhere near where glove was found. Glove was planted or dropped by someone other than OJ, if not police then the real murderer.

Socks are more damning if one thinks about it. They apparently were "soaked" with NBS blood and they were IN the house. That eliminates framing by the real murderer. But if OJ was careful to remove the other blood-soaked clothes not to mention the infamous shoes, why did he leave socks on floor in plain view? and why was blood on both sides of sock as if sock was not on foot when blood landed on it?

Bottom line if evidence was so clear there would have been a conviction or at least a hung jury. Entire jury, not just one crazy person, came out with a not guilty verdict.

 

I'm not so sure of all your speculation.

I have read two books on the murder, as I posted WAYYYYY back in this thread, so I think this IS the car.

Not sure how drug delivery in SoCal figures into our discussion, but that was fun read.....

 

What????

 

Russ, you're really trying hard and not doing any better for your reputation. Why don't you join the forum and make your arguments in a thread specific to the issue in the silver section. Or at the very least in the non-car section of the unsubscribed forums. Here is no mondial info in your current arguments about the old trial.

 

Up until the final day of an eBay sale, the Reserve is easily exposed, by making a series of bids, then retracting them. On the final day, you can't retract a bid, but by then you know the reserve.....

 

Has anybody reached out to Symbolic? Won't most dealers keep records of their sales, especially to somebody like OJ? Ron Tonkin had record of the original sale of my car from '75.

 

Only if the actual records supported your claim.

 

It was still OJ's blood.

You can juggle them, put them in a bag and shake them up, put a blind fold on and turn around 3 or 4 times..... and it is still OJ's blood.

How did all the cops know OJ was in town, had no real alibi and could therefore be framed? How did Furman get them all to agree before ANYONE know where the hell OJ was?? ALL of them??

 

I think with a little calling around, the mystery of this car should be pretty easy to solve. I had an '82 308 that originated at Lake Forest Ferrari in Illinois - I had an idea that was where it was from due to a business card in the owners manual. I called up there, gave them the VIN, and they pulled it right up.

There are likely only a few SoCal dealerships that could have sold OJ the car. Why not call and give them the VIN?