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Switching over to Ferrari, need some advice

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  1. Count Stacula

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    Hey Guys,

    I'm new to this forum and new to Ferrari. I'm from St. Louis, Missouri and currently have an lp550-2 Lamborghini Gallardo. I've now decided that I'm ready to be dedicated to the Ferrari brand and was curious on the best way to go about purchasing my next car so that I can get limited edition ones in the future.

    I've done some research and watched countless videos that suggest you have to pay your dues to get the limited cars, but I wanted to know how to go about this. I plan to start holding on to the cars I purchas, but ideally I'm only interested in purchasing the limited edition models coming in the future. Unfortunately we do not have a dealer in STL, since according to STLMotorsports, Ferrari denied to make them a certified dealer since they didn't think we had the demand here. I was curious what my best option would be given I don't have a local dealer and how I can get my name in there for future limited Ferraris to come?

    Can I just call up the closest Ferrari dealer and purchase a Speciale and continue that trend with future models until I've purchased enough to hopefully get the limited future models to come (like the current tdf and Speciale A)?
     
  2. toggie

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  3. Count Stacula

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    I've read that before and currently I'm no where close to being in a position to afford the LaFerrari. I'm mainly curious about getting the limited edition models such as the Aperta and TDF models to come out in the future.

    If I buy a CPO Ferrari, does that still give me some weight on getting those limited editions, or does it specifically have to purchased brand new through Ferrari?
     
  4. greyboxer

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    Buy a brand new California or Lusso from your nearest dealer and start the process of getting known - when they end up with left-over 488 coupe allocation trade for that on the basis they list you for the speciale equivalent - play the game a few times (@ USD 50 000 minimum per play) then in the best part of a decade you might end up with the 488 replacement speciale version to start your collection
     
  5. toggie

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    Another idea is, once you've decided which dealer you're going work with, get a personal introduction to that dealership owner or general manager.

    There are people on here that can make that introduction for you, depending on the dealer you pick.
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  6. Nelsonc275

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    +1. They really want you to support their whole line of cars. Its important to them that clients don't cherry pick the line. Starting with a Lusso and/or Cali T will help you a lot. If you do a Tailor Made version it will also help you.
     
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  8. GuyIncognito

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    most people in STL either use Continental or LFSC, although a few use Boardwalk/Dallas.

    get involved in the local Ferrari club and you'll meet people who can make introductions to those dealers.

    of course buying a bunch of used cars from one dealer gets their attention too ;)
     
  9. ralfabco

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    It is much cheaper to be a bottom feeder.

    Accept the cast-off and unwanted material from 10+ years ago :).

    How about a Chinese algae eater ? No A kissing required :D.
     
  10. Ron328

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  11. GuyIncognito

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    agree. but we need someone to buy them new.... ;)
     
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  13. GuyIncognito

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    and/or lawyers and guns.

    :)

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  14. Count Stacula

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    Thanks for all the comments guys! What happens if I buy brand new from the dealer and then sell within 3-6 months? Does Ferrari somehow know when you've sold their standard models, or would this method suffice? Obviously I would repeat this several times over several years.
     
  15. toggie

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    #16 toggie, Jul 11, 2016
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    Best relationship with a dealer is to have them also handle the selling of your Ferraris also.

    Obviously, it would be better to keep a car for at least a year if the dealer is going to be part of the selling.

    What is your ultimate goal?
    For the current cars, is it a LaFerrari? Or an F12TdF?

    If you want the 488 equivalent of the Speciale or Speciale A in a few years, then go ahead and have that discussion with the dealer you pick. They can map out for you how to get to that level of relationship.
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  16. technom3

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    always subject to change.

    But if you think anyone thinks they are going to trick the system... its possible... but... just remember... they will catch on.

    Ferrari and/or dealer doesn't want the car to end up back online in 6 months or so. Its your property so you can sell it. Will they care about a cali or a lusso... not really 488 ya they will watch that a little for a while. Just remember if you try to take a short cut and get caught and you are far down the path... its game over.

    Also, if you buy the special versions and sell them quickly... you will likely never get another.

    If someones goal is to get the next TDF or something like that so they can sell it for 300K over sticker (just an example) it probably won't pay off because of all of the other cars and time you will have to spend before you get your shot and once you do... and you sell it... its pretty much over.

    My understanding is laF buyers who are getting a spider have been asked to sign additional contracts for 18 months to not sell their LaFs coupes
     
  17. Count Stacula

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    Eventually the current LaFerrari's to come, but for the near future, the tdf, Speciale A to come. Ideally I want to be an F collector, but only of the limited edition models to act as both an investment while also being able to enjoy the cars.
     
  18. Count Stacula

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    When I do get the limited ones, I am not planning to flip them, I will hold on to them for many years if not forever.
     
  19. FerRrari

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    Welcome, you should post pics of your lambo!

    Not all LE Ferraris are the same. Getting a Speciale is easier than getting a Speciale Aperta, which in turn is easier than a TdF, etc. Like many have said, build a relationship with the dealer of your choice. It'll take time and money, by affecting one of those dimensions the other one will adjust.


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  20. Count Stacula

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    I'll gladly post pictures, I just thought posting it would be highly frowned upon given this is a Ferrari forum... Will I not get ripped if posting them?
     
  21. FerRrari

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    Not at all. We're all car people!


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  22. Glassman

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    I'd start with a 512 Boxer and work backwards. It will make for a much more impressive garage.
     
  23. spirot

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    Someone else said it ... bring $$$$$$$$$$$$$ that is the best way to get on the Ferrari Radar. put down a deposit on a new model... etc...

    what not to do... don't buy a new car, then flip it in 2-3 months for more. Ferrari NA takes a very dim view of that. many guys ( well known) have done this and then FNA gets ticked and puts you on the no fly list... that in turn makes the dealer mad as they get kicked too... while this all has nothing to do with "real world problems" Ferrari not only wants the money... it will get that somewhere from someone... they want a psychopathic loyalty, the "relationship" is usually one way... and its not about you. So unless you are uber famous - Eric Clapton famous... its not going to ever be about you.

    you really want a "relationship that gets doors open for you" buy a corse clienti FXX or F-1 car, and do the events, you will be immersed in the Ferrari world ... and have access to all the "right" people. but again bring $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    All that being said - I love Ferrari - the history alone is worth the hassle of "entry" . But it is easy to get carried away... it is after all ... a car.
     
  24. Entropy

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    from my experiences

    1) Ferrari (and the dealers) are in a "for profit" business, though more than most their "short supply" model is something they actively cultivate and monitor in addition to the $$.

    2) more than most, Ferrari (and FNA, and most dealers) like predictable relationships and client involvement - so be active in brand-related activities, show up for unveilings, be an active "net promoter"

    3) dealer relationships are key. Given your location, you can pick from a few, I'd treat this as an interview process and find one who wants to develop you as a long-term customer. That's what happened to us....we were "recruited" as much as we "bought".

    4) get in the game, and buy a car. Work with your dealer on what your "rotation" might look like. Perhaps get a (new) CaliT now, use FFS, go to the Corso Pilota school, show up to a Challenge race or F1 hospitality, put a deposit on a future 488 or GTC4, then trade up/over. Getting into position for an LE car (particularly in light of Marchionne's recent comments) will take time.

    5) if you buy used, get a CPO car from a dealer, consider using FFS.

    6) generally speaking, if you sell a new Ferrari, trade it to the dealer, and avoid flipping or quick in/out. We've held each of our cars 2+ years.

    If you want to talk to 2 totally non-BS Ferrari sales guys, call Nathan Dunning at Boardwalk or Steve Daley at Miller Motorcars. Be upfront ("hey, I'm new to Ferrari, I'm a car guy, I'd like to start a relationship and also start buying some cars". And then do it. Be realistic about access to the LE cars; there are a lot of existing clients in line already).
     

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