Plenty of 488's for sale on ebay

Cheers.

 

xo

 

Well your 0.2 worth of opinion couldn't be more wrong. You really think the 488 feels like a 911 turbo or a GTR? People !! I'm telling you guys this is absolute nonsense!! The 488 definitely still feels like a Ferrari . In fact it feels like a 458 on steroids ! The car still sounds great for a turbo and the engine has amazing response . I don't think people recognize yet just how outstanding a job Ferrari did with this car. They had to switch to forced induction and did it in an amazing way. I don't know how much time you've really spent with a 488GTB but comments like that make me think very very little .

I'm not defending anything ! I could care less if what you're saying is the truth (but it's not). I've owned or own every single car you're talking about above and this is absolutely Bull****!!

In fact I still have my 458 and was planning on keeping it too. Now that I have the 488 I almost never drive the 458 and find it to feel and look dated in almost everyway. I'm not "jumping " either . In fact over the last three months the 488s values have gone up since they are getting in the hands of real drivers and people who are experiencing the car first hand as an owner . Talk to any independent dealer or broker and they will tell you that. If you don't like the 488 that's certainly your right but stop spreading bogus information to people about the car. Unless you actually own a 488 and have spent considerable time with it your opinion should be taken carefully by other readers .

 

Any attempt to convince some of the Ferrari fellows here with true argument is useless .
Some of them seem to have an unchangable mindset. Sort of Against-488-Burn-In.
Could be a livetime issue.
LOL

 

I'm just expressing an opinion based on actual experience, and all are free to interpret it as they like; why the defensiveness?

Ah I forgot: you own one and most likely spent north of 250K + on it...

 

Can you drive a 458 (regular or aftermarket exhaust) on any race track with noise limitations? Probably no! Can your do it with a 488? Yes! Any questions?

 

So that's the new gauge used to determine the superior car: Which is "compliant." Using this as a determinant, the Prius would be the clear choice.

Something to keep in mind: If the desire is to quiet down the 458 for the race track, the valve bypass remote can be used to keep the valve closed.

 

Again it's a forum dear friends, all points of view are of course
relevant and valid, and we all free to express what we feel,
which is the great part about such a fantastic resource as Fchat,
the site makes Fcar ownership that much more memorable, and
I think the opinions raised by this thread should be considered
for future product development by our favorite marque.

very best

 

488 enthusiasts seem to value performance above all else, and discount exhaust sound. Let me use an extreme example to make a point. Let's say that the 488 made absolutely no sound at all. Nothing. Not a peep. Would you still be as enthusiastic about the car? Maybe the importance of exhaust sound is a generational thing?

 

Interesting point; all the more significant because the automotive world
is slowly but surely gravitating away from the combustion engine and towards
electric power.

Teslas and their stellar performance off the line are already a reality.

The question that comes to my mind is how much does sound contribute to the
excitement of the driving experience and is it really a necessary element to create
the latter? The answer is of course subjective to every driver; to me sound is of
course a must which comes as no surprise as sound is an integral part of my profession.

 

Love the insinuation that the 488 is not popular or selling well. That is patently false. The cars are sold out and demand is huge. Who cares how many "you've seen," as if that matters to anything...

 

Actually NA can be made to run faster too, but it is expensive, especially then the successors will have to run even faster. For turbocharged, all you need is some software upgrade to give some extra boost. But there is NO WAY to make turbocharged to have a good sound. It can be loud, but just won't scream, because turbo is the best muffler.
I have said this many times, the main reason for turbocharged is not for performance or environment, but $$$$$. Ferrari has been talking about selling less car while making more money. This can only be achieved by reducing cost.

 

It's called chasing the dragon, and it is a battle that can never be won, because you are never satisfied, and there is always something else. Basically Ferrari dictates your preferences based on their 5 year product cycle.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I think the 458 Speciale will ultimately be rated as one of the best cars Ferrari will EVER make, based on the overall experience (600 bhp will always be high performance, exhaust note, response, handling, styling). People talk about the 458 being dated. What?!?! But 2 years ago, many of these same folks were posting ON THIS FORUM, how it was the best thing since sliced bread. Get a grip folks. So are the Testarossa (one of the most iconic Ferrari's EVER), or the Dino, or the 355, the Enzo, the F40, the 430 Scuderia etc all dated in looks? Please, they are ALL classics. Comments like that make me cringe, because it reads as insecurity. A true Ferrari enthusiast would never characterize any of the cars as "dated".

 

I think Ferrari has, unfortunately, reached the end of their technical capabilities with NA. Above 600 bhp, it seems it is too difficult to get a V8/V10 to perform better without sacrificing weight, displacement and handling. Ferrari and Lambo have always been at a structural disadvantage vis-a-vis McLaren and Porsche. And they have finally thrown in the towel (I see the Huracan being the last NA V10 Lambo too). Ferrari has indicated as much (performance concerns vs emissions/noise).

In 15-20 years time, the 458 Speciale COUPE will possibly be a $$1MM car (as there have been many accidents, and people won't maintain).

 

In 2013 F1, 2.4L was producing 700hp. 4.5L in Speciale was "just" producing 600hp. We are still far far away from the end of capabilities. And weight can also make huge difference in performance. But these jobs : to produce more hp from NA engine (rev higher) or to reduce weight (special materials), are very expensive jobs and requires huge investment in R&D. The easiest way : add a turbo. Many local custom stores have been adding turbo for years.

 

Actually from what I've seen they have been talking about upping production unless I'm mistaken.

 

I saw 4 just this weekend and thestonehause in Westlake.

 

lol

 

How was the event? I miss LA, can't wait to get back home and take my
sassy red girl for a spin, I'm sure my neighborhood has never slept better
in my absence!!

 

See it the other way around: take a beautiful sound of a Ferrari with zero hp, zero torque, nothing. Would you pay so much for a loudspeaker?

Exhaust sound is a matter of personal taste, nothing else. You don't like the GTB sound, I like it. And now? Who is right? Regarding the GTB sound we are talking about personal preferences, about personal taste, no more, no less.

Now let me say it this way, to discuss more than one times if I like for example a movie or not is somehow unnecessary, kind of boring, somehow stupid. I like it or not, end of discussion. You don't like the 488 sound? Fine, no problem with that. Now please accept that your personal opinion isn't soooooo important that I have to read it again and again and again (also applies to other chatters).

Performance capabilities: the 488 GTB has measurable better performance capabilities than all other Ferrari mid engine V8 cars before. To be a fan of higher performance capabilities is acceptable in the sports car world. Right?

 

That's a silly point IMO. It's like saying would you still like your speciale if it had great sound but drove like a Lexus??

I also have a model s which is fun in its own right but it's no Ferarri....

 

Correct. Such comparisms are illusionary, beyond Reality.

 

I not only don't like the sound of a 488, but I don't like the looks either So I guess we'll never get along :-j BTW, I'll post my thoughts about the 488 exhaust sound or anything else I feel like as often as I like. Nobody is forcing you to read my posts. I ignore yours all the time.

 

LOL....

 

Trust me. You don't want GTR more than 488.

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