Clear evidence that there has been far too much money printed and made available...
So one of the more infamous 918 owners (@Salomondrin) shared on his YT channel today that the scuttlebutt amongst 918 owners is that new GT3 will be *manual* and *normally aspirated*. If true, what's the point of the 911R exactly? Stickers?
You guys are perhaps a little short on your Porsche history. Porsches 'special' cars have never really been all that special. Even back in the 60s their Rs models were stripped out street cars with 'racing' parts. The 73RS was flares, suspension and the RS had a 2.4 where the S had a 2.4. (IIRC the 73 RS LW was far less of a parts bin car vs the touring. Didn't the light weight car have thinner glass and sheet metal?) Then as now, what makes these cars 'special' is because Porsche said so. Assigned limited VIN numbers and lets not forget the stickers. Its safe to say the modern R is equal Motorsports as it is Marketing. The R does appear to have a few unique (for now) parts. The trans has different gearing, underbelly aero. Unlike the 60s R the modern R was built to be stored away in collections. The original car was a race car that could be used on the street. There is ZERO chance that Porsche won't incorporate the R bits into upcoming products. They must sell cars. They have no reason not to make the next GT3 faster, better etc vs even the RS. Ferrari has been doing this for generations. McLaren seems to spawn a new better car every 90 days....Besides, how is VAG has a ton of checks to write because of the VW Diesel mess. Porsche is going to be one of the cash registers they visit....
I personally like the R because you get all the good bits of the GT3/GT3 RS minus the hideous, fast and furious wings.
in the 80s there was a little know option for your 930..no wing. I believe it may of been a Euro option only. Agree, a GT3 w/o the wing would be amazing. Wait, isn't that an R
Yeah, I often think "What my RS needs is more lift". I'm thinking about dumping the 325's for some 245's, so I get that nostalgic feeling chunking thru a hedge backwards. 72=73 M471's (LTW RS) had Gleverbel glass that whas quite a bit thinner than stock. No glovebox door, smaller battery (I forget, but I think S that year had 2 batteries, one in each corner), rear seat delete, LTW buckets, lighter muffler, etc.
Lol at those prices. Can't be right. That's a Cayman GT4, a 991 GT3 RS, a Carrera GT and still cash left over for a Cayenne Turbo and 2nd hand Ferrari FF. Yeah...I call bull****!
make sure they are bias ply! the R has a "special" diffuser to make up for the lack of rear wing, and I fully expect that diffuser to make its way to the next gen Gt3/RS
I came from s long Porsche history having had 8 at least I remember. Their special models weren't that special back then compared to these days. One day my dealer called me to bringing in my turbo cabrio, cayenne turboS and an RS for a brand new careers GT. I didn't do it because by then I thought the car was overpriced and started thinking about getting into Italians. For money stand of point, it would have been a wiser decision but don't regret. I just saw few GT3 RS and GT3 in the lot of a local dealer. GT3 looked nicer than before but didn't grab my attention. I'm not a track guy so that part had lots to do but I don't think I am going back to that route anymore. Yes. The wing has to go as you look like driving a modded civic or scion FRS. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I believe you are referring to option code M470 which was spoiler delete on 3.2 Carrera with the M491 Turbo Look package. I am pretty sure that you could not delete spoilers on a 930.
I guess you could delete the wing on a 930 ... but then you would have the intercooler sticking though the rear lid/hood.
I've seen factory M491 Turbo-Look w/o spoilers in period. I did a quick search on Google and saw many examples. Here's a Certificate of Authenticity I found. Freeman Image Unavailable, Please Login
M491 Turbo Look with M470 spoiler delete is a rare bird indeed, built in minute numbers. Very cool cars IMO.
Interesting. I saw a Turbo look cab downtown Oakville the other day without spoilers, and I assumed it was someones home brew. Now I wonder if I walked right past a unicorn. Amazing the things that you can learn about Porsche on Ferrarichat.
I have heard from a good source that there was one of the very early 930's built with a rear spoiler delete option from the factory
That might well be true, but with a notoriously tail-happy car, lots of horsepower delivered unpredictably with a wallop--I would want all the downforce I could get. It's hard to believe that Porsche would sell such a beast. It would be a tricky car to drive at speed.
A little late to this party, but for those wanting a 911 R for the manual driving experience, simply wait for the normal 991.2 GT3 which will with 99% certainty have the same 6-speed manual as optional equipment. It's simple logic to deduce that Porsche's GT department developed this new bespoke transmission for that car, as the 911 R's limited production run alone would have never justified the development & tooling costs for a brand-new transmission. With any luck, the standard 991.2 GT3 will retain its 3.8-liter 9,000 RPM short-stroke configuration, something 911 R drivers (read: 911 R coddlers!) can't say about their cars. As far as the 911 R itself, the only thing unique to the car is the aero-package, I recall from the technical release info that they had to get creative with underbody airflow after deleting the rear wing to maintain desired downforce levels. Essentially everything else is taken from standard GT3, GT3 RS, or the forthcoming GT3 (transmission). They didn't even bother to come up with unique front or rear bumpers, wheels, etc. which I found a bit weird. So, objectively & from a technical standpoint, not a particularly special car, sadly.
