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  1. VMax

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    He's using the P in FTTP as point rather than premises, I think. So it's FTTN with copper to the premises, not FTTP.
     
  2. au-yt

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    Ah that makes sense
     
  3. moretti

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    Doh, of course, the Malcolm FU
     
  4. Steve355F1

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    And people wonder why I hate these pointless stupid "updates" when everything was working fine before.

    :confused:

    It's only of interest or value to techno geeks. The rest of us just want our computers to be reliable.

    It's an absolute ****ing joke that a customer has to go through this bull**** just to get something to work today, which worked fine yesterday.
     
  5. moretti

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    Stop sooking you big poof
     
  6. VMax

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    Reliable? Sure, stick with whatever you've got. Reliable and secure? Install the bloody update and believe the techno geeks when they tell you it's a good idea.
     
  7. Steve355F1

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    #1282 Steve355F1, Aug 4, 2016
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    When did I say I was big?

    If it's so ****ing clever why does anyone have to go through the bull**** that au-yt describes?

    It's all very well to say "oh well you just need to download this and then install that and get a USB and then go here and there and that's all brilliant" but frankly that's a load of ****.
    Most people just want their computer to work.
    Don't "update" it if we all have to go through that crap, especially as most people don't even give a **** about the extra features.
    The stuff that gives the geeks an erection is just a PITA to everyone else unless it's super easy to update.
     
  8. moretti

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    Don't go through that BS then, just pay someone to do it for you .

    And it's not always about new features as Mike says, it's about securing your machine from the ransomware hijackers who encrypt all your data , but you stick with the vulnerable OS, good for you and your head in the sand attitude :p

    The banking and aircraft industry are 2 of the worst industries for keeping up to date with OSs that are protected
     
  9. au-yt

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    #1284 au-yt, Aug 4, 2016
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    The main reason for up grading was I was having an issue with a newly built computer. It's been back to the tech and he ran a whole rang of tests. It would just freeze in any mode.
    He suggested I get a 7 pro disc and run it. The version he installed was lagit, code and all but I figured hang the expense I'll upgrade the OS to 10.
    I run two hard drives one for the OS and a memory HD. Through the process of attempting to down load and install 10 I disconnected the memory HD and bingo it didn't freeze. I have gone back to my tech yesterday and asked if the torture test 30 hours off, involved the memory HD. But I haven't heard back.
    The other thing is I have been logging the crash time an activity.
    Activity is any thing including when the computer is hibernating and the only reboot is holding the power button til it shuts down an bingo all good. For 20 to 30 minutes
    Time is interesting between 4 an 530 in the evening. So I'm not sure if a grid power supply change is also a culprit but asking around it doesnt happen to others locally.

    I might be taking it to someone else but it's still under warranty.

    Once appon a time when you installed software it ran an install that allowed installation in isolation.
    As for the upgrade from 7 to 10 there must be so many frustrated people out there Apple is laughing, desk top wise any way.

    PS I am still waiting for a call back from MS that said a 3 minute wait, that was 2 days ago.
     
  10. Horse

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    No GG for you then!!!!!!
     
  11. greg246

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    Throw it in the bin and buy a Mac
     
  12. Steve355F1

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    You're missing the point, although the "pay someone to do it for you" comment might tell us all we need to know: That's what it's really all about, right?

    (For the record, I've never felt more ripped off in my life than when I made the mistake of having a geek come around to "fix and upgrade" my computer last year. Three hours of him sitting here drinking my coffee and then presenting me with a bill that would make a surgeon blush, only for me to have to call him half a dozen more times in the following week because nothing was working...)

    Why should anyone have to go through the bull**** described?
    Don't release the damn "update" if it's not ready to be easily installed by everyone.
    Hiding behind "security" or "safety" is a bunch of BS.
     
  13. VMax

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    By and large, they don't. I've either personally done or (mostly) directly followed up on a few hundred 7->10 upgrades and maybe 50ish 8.x->10, and I can count the number of issues on one hand - two instances of very old peripherals that hadn't been attached for a long time (so WTF, users?), one of a very old custom LOB application and one of a newer and questionably-coded application.

    My parents, who needed lessons to use their iPad, upgraded their own ~5(?) year old machine without any assistance at all.

    The proportion of successful upgrades is amazing considering the variety of hardware and software out there.

    And most people's computers do just work. Even au-yt's computer sounds like it wasn't broken or rendered less functional by the upgrade attempt, it just didn't complete and was rolled back. "Most people" would stop at that point and say "oh well, no harm done" and carry on, but he needed to try again for his own reasons.

    Regardless, if someone is manually (not automatically) trying to upgrade their machine to Win10, saying "download this and follow the instructions" is very far from a load of anything, except assistance. It's not difficult. I hate dealing with people (specifically not referring to au-yt here) who see a list of steps and go "WOAH TOO HARD YOU GEEK, HAAAHA SPEAK ENGLISH JEEZ" without trying it.

    And it is, in almost all cases.
     
  14. VMax

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    Yeah, then you can lug it into an Apple store and queue up with the all the other hordes of people to pay Apple when it needs fixing. Enjoy!
     
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    #1290 greg246, Aug 4, 2016
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    Rubbish

    Pull it out of the box, plug it in the wall, turn it on and it works and keeps on working. every MS product I've had has ended up performing poorly sooner rather than later.

    I had an issue with my iphone once, it was no hassle getting it sorted. Make an appointment with the Genius Bar online, drop it off at the elected time, no queuing or waiting,period.

    By the way, if you enjoy home visits by a geek, plenty around that specialise in Apple stuff ;)
     
  16. Aircon

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    Apple devices are great.... For people who don't want to do anything significant with their devices.
     
  17. greg246

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    Serves the needs of 99% of the population.

    Define "significant"
     
  18. VMax

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    They're clearly the best then! I guess that explains why there are so many Macs out there. Your experience clearly reflects that of everyone else.

    Oh! That's a fantastic idea, which none of the many computer shops in your area have probably ever thought of. And it explains perfectly why I never see any queues in that area when I walk past the Apple store.

    No doubt about that (no sarcasm now). But the primary reason I often recommend Macs to the biggest problem users amongst friends and family is that I can say "oops, don't know much about Macs, take it to the Apple store I guess". For some reason a lot of people struggle with the concept of "Take it to any PC store", which probably matches up well with putting them in the Apple ecosystem, where you don't have to worry about having more choices than you need.
     
  19. greg246

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    appreciate the sarcasm :D


    Not necessarily better but in my experience more reliable and robust than any PC iv'e had dating back to the early 90s

    And the reason there are more PCs than Macs is because they are better? No, the main driver is probably because they are cheaper
     
  20. IanB

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    I've had many Mac's since the early 90's, many PC's too. Am writing this on a Macbook Retina. For the purpose of clarifying my next statement, I've been a software developer most of my life, a systems engineer, comms tech, etc.

    Macs are better, end of story. I've never had one fail. I've never had a virus. I follow common sense precautions and have never had dramas with upgrades.

    PC's are more popular because MS built a clever monopoly from the outset and cultivated competition amongst hardware vendors, resulting in lower prices and market dominance, but not better products.
     
  21. VMax

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    And there's no doubt that an expensive Mac is a better (more reliable and robust) machine than a cheap PC. Which is precisely the trouble in many cases - people say "Oh, my PC is a piece of junk" then go buy a Mac which costs literally triple the price (or more!) and it's not a piece of junk. Well... yeah. Twice recently (at least, the last bit was recent) I've had this exact sequence of events happen to me with distant acquaintances who like contacting me only when some technology-related problem or question arises:
    1) Recommend a laptop to someone with a few choices (Thinkpads, Elitebooks etc), price roughly $2000
    2) Person buys ~$600 laptop from big-box store with similar specs as recommended by salesman
    3) 2ish years later, $600 machine is broken and person has bought a MacBook Pro/Air
    4) Some months subsequently, person complains to me about my recommending a PC and how they should've bought a Mac in the first place

    Meanwhile, I'll carry on using the (Mac-priced) ThinkPad I bought in 2011 and spend 10+ hours on every weekday and many weekends. Come to think of it, I've never actually retired one because it was broken - the two I have in the cupboard still work perfectly, they're just not fast enough nowadays. I had a warranty repair on one once (on-site, free of charge) when the screen went slightly odd-shaded after I trod on it.

    It'd be interesting to see sales figures of Macs vs business-spec laptops, but I don't think those are usually broken out by OEMs. My experience (which is worth nothing to anyone but me) suggests Macs are still outsold by their similarly-priced Windows-based cousins, but it's not immediately obvious because only the Macs stand out in a café, meeting room, airline lounge, etc. I could certainly be wrong.
     
  22. Aircon

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    Well, I certainly don't have your self proclaimed credentials, but I'm on various computers (windows) all day every day and I don't get viruses, crashes or breakdowns. Amazing hey?

    Sometimes I use my MacBook air and think "what a slow old clunker this thing is"...but it is beautifully made. OTOH....lots of windows laptops are beautifully made now...and even come with touch screens, which is just one example of things that Apple users don't even know they're missing out on.
     
  23. VMax

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    And your anecdotal evidence applies almost* perfectly to my history with PCs also. As it turns out, if you know what you're doing and don't buy pieces of junk, you can run into fewer problems.

    * - I've had dramas when installing pre-release software, and the first time I tried Slackware because I didn't know what the hell I was doing, but that was me, not it.
     
  24. VMax

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    The number of times I try to touch the screen on my work machine now...grrrrrrrrr ;)
     
  25. greg246

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    That's only because you have newer faster ones coming every week
     

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