Tried to order 2017 F12...told no luck

Hi guys, I am fairly new here. I have been following this forum on occassion but recently started to have some loving feelings towards the F12. So much so, that I called a few dealers in Toronto and Montreal Canada as I am in Ottawa with no Ferrari dealers. I was told that they are not taking anymore orders for a 2017 F12 as they are waiting for the release of Geneva 2017 in the spring. The one dealer I spoke to, was at the Ferrari factory in June, said there isnt much information except that the refresh of the F12 may have some sort of Kers system or battery assisted motor, but the engine is to remain naturally aspirated. Thank god, as I am not interested in a forced induction V12. Apparently, he also heard that this final run on the F12 will go to 2020 when there are "some big changes" on the powerplants due to global enviroment/pollution rules that countries have outlined. Therefore, they will take a deposit for a 2018 F12 which sounds like a plan.
Anyway, you will see me around with lots of questions regarding the F12 for the next year or so and then will graduate to an owner of an F12 with due time. Cant wait to communicate with you guys. Thanks

Nicholas

 

Welcome Nicholas. There is a wealth of information here on what to expect in the F12'M' which will probably be called something like Daytona and be a substantial change from the F12, akin to the FF to the Lusso. Have a look at the thread http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/ff-gtc4lusso-f12/526266-geneva-2017-f12m.html

N/A for sure, no Kers, that will wait until 2020 and rather than repeat 800HP, AWS etc, probably easiest to read the thread.

In simple terms expect a major refresh and a wise man would confirm his order position-I hear the demand is already very high.

 

If you absolutely want a new car, then it may be possible to order a 70th anniversary car which is pretty well loaded options-wise but still a 100k premium over the base car. I believe they are among the last to leave the current F12 production line. There is a big population of low miles standard cars out there if you are flexible on spec. Good luck.

 

I was actually ready to pull the trigger on a 2016 F12 in toronto with 450km. Basically new, very well equipped as well, but decided on ordering and spec one to my liking. The 70th anniversary is probably more than what I want to spend to be honest...looks like I will wait.

 

Thanks for the info, my dealer said he wont take deposit until the unveiling in Geneva, not sure why, maybe I will push the issue a bit.

 

Welcome my Toronto friend. Everyone is waiting for Geneva right now

 

That's quite normal in the UK anyway, just ask him to guarantee you an early car now but no doubt he will have other well established customers ahead of you.

 

I was also told by the dealer that the f12m will have some electric assist.

 

I don't get this. Quite a few dealers seem to have come up with this idea, illogical as it sounds and I will put my neck on the line and say it's utter nonsense. That is coming in 2020.

To add batteries to this car, with an existing chassis design, together with the added weight just does not make sense. It would be totally non Ferrari and non productive to do a half way house job, forcing some form of battery power into a chassis not designed to accept it. Add to it that the LF has to be plugged in when not in use and I understand if left unplugged for a week or so requires new batteries at approx $100k, demonstrates there is work still to be done for this technology to go into a production car. In short, no way but yes in 2020 with the new modular chassis and to me it is yet again ill informed dealership speculation.

Also, this is a mid life, not a new car, and it would be a huge and unnecessary leap for that.

 

Orders for F12B's ended in May.

 

Welcome Nicholas!

I agree with Traveller's points.

If you're not an existing customer you might find it will be some time until you can get an allocation. If its just a 3 year run, it could be not until the last year. You may want to consider looking for a nice pre owned car via the dealer and then get in the line for speccing your own.

 

It seems I may have my ways being a first time owner, I feel they are honoring my request for the next F12. Let's hope



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Very nice!

 

I ws told only last week I could order a 2017 car, [ with a small discount] this was confirmed from Ferrari North Europe. This may be because it would have been RHD? I decided not to wait and bought a used one instead and left a letter of intent with the dealer for a 2018 car.

 

+1

I have noticed here that a lot of dealers talk a LOT of ****, but they're not really in the loop so much as some of our well connected members here (who kindly share information with us at times...though this information does go largely ignored, lol).

F12m will have 6.5 V12, not turbo's, no KERS.

And it'll be bloody excellent. I can't wait for the reveal, I'm very excited about this car.

 

I have found than a consistent contributor/reader on FChat is routinely more knowledgeable than the dealership in these matters - even more than the dealership's general mangers that visit Maranello. I think the reason is that we actually spend our own money on the next model and really care about the changes - large and small. The dealership sells cars regardless of the changes. Also found that some salespeople know very little about their own product.