Heat exchanger failure- desperate need help

When having my annual service this April I asked the Ferrari dealer if we should change the heat exchanger to avoid any possible failure in the future.
There reply was that Ferrari did not recommend it and that is was not necessary. Well you guessed it. On the first run after the service travelling 130 Km/h I noticed a bit of smoke from the engine and seconds later both back wheels locked up. I was very lucky not to hit anything as I skidded out of the highway.

My Ferrari dealer has been very helpful and has taken responsibility for there not so good advice. They are paying for the repair and the rebuild of the gearbox.

This was in the first week of May. Since then we have been waiting for part from Italy. We are now down to missing one part; -The Reverse Gear complete synchronizer part number 193439.
Ferrari does not have it in stock and Ferrari can not or will not tell if or when the part will be available again.

The rebuild is with new parts. So as now I am not interested in a used part.
I have been in contact with all Ferrari part dealers I could find on the net in UK and USA. But with no luck.
Please does anybody by chance have this part for sale?

Regards
Carl Frederik

 

Have you tried the used car parts suppliers?

Ferrparts.com, exoticautorecycling.com, etc?

 

These folks manufacture them...Nice people and very knowledgable
Daytona Auto Center in Canada

 

I think he is looking for .....The Reverse Gear complete synchronizer part number 193439.
Not the heat exchanger.

BTW, I installed the one from Daytona last spring. It is definitely different from stock (feel & look)

 

Have you checked with Maserati?
That same part could very well be stocked by them.

 

Just curious but why would the engine smoke or was it steam/vapour in the engine bay?

I hope you get it sorted soon and full marks to your dealer for standing behind their advice, as poor as it was.

 

I am actually a little surprised that the dealer fixes the gearbox at their dime, unless they made a mistake and forgot to add transmission oil or similar. By logic applied in this case, you can go ask them if you should replace this and that on the car, and to every item they say no, you have a short-term warranty... Still don't see it being their fault - Ferrari doesn't specify replacement of this part at a regular interval AFAIK.

Are you sure it was the transmission heat exchanger leaking that caused the issue? Seems like it would result in "slow" wear rather than instant failure and lock-up of gearbox if coolant got mixed with transmission oil - and likely at a slow rate as presumably there was no leak just prior at the annual since they would have seen the coolant in the transmission oil when servicing it. Sure it wasn't something else that caused the lock-up of the transmission/diff/drive-output?

 

Very lucky that Ferrari dealer is paying for their poor advice!

 

There is usually much more to the story I'm sure.

 

Indeed.

 

This is where I was heading.....

I think they cocked up.


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Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale Reverse Gear Complete Synchronizer (193439) | Scuderia Car Parts

https://www.ferrariparts.co.uk/193439-RM_Gear_Synchro_Kit_seo.aspx

apparently same part for ALL of these..
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Thank you for your help but been down that path. According to two seperate ferrari specialists they are not interchangeable

 

Do not know, but I would think it was steam

 

Ahh...that makes more sense to me.
I read it first that it was smoke from the exhausts.

It still seems very coincidental that it went on the first run after service.....are they being totally straight?



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Might be worth checking your numbers carefully re your compatibility issue here - depending on the assembly number of your gearbox. Up to number 10297 you most likely will need part 185167 but assuming your gearbox is later than that then beyond this part number 193439 should be fine to install in your box since it is listed as a replacement part for all 360 (and many Maserati)....

Good luck

J

 

Have just reread the thread carefully (I do that - should read first!) - you are being fed incorrect information. If you require 193439 then you need 193439. There is no different between ordering a 193439 for a Modena or a stradale! Ferrari don't have a list of 193439 synchro units destined for Stradale that are somehow different from 193439 destined for Modena installation!

See my previous post.

Hope that helps

J

 

I also cant see an instantaneous gearbox failure from the heat exchanger failing. If you were losing coolant into the gearbox the first symptom would probably be the engine starting to overheat. My bet is no oil in the gearbox. That would cause what you've described. Anyway they are picking up the tab so...

 

There are a few things that don't quite add up in this thread. I'd like to know how a Dealership wouldn't know synchro parts interchangeability!

 

Well sometimes that's the difference between a $15 per hour parts guy and an enthusiast who reads parts diagrams for entertainment and to know exactly about stuff ;-)

But I'll repeat that a part number is a part number - there are no "twin versions".

I have here on the floor a stradale box and a Modena box right in front of me. If you were really stuck I'll pull them down and have a look but over a £150 part it seems silly.
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Thank you for your help, but part number 193439 is not available. Among many others I have been inn contact with Marionello. They do not have it.

 

I understand now. That's the usual annoyance isn't it. I'm sorry I again misunderstood!

Well if you have spoken to Eurospares, Ferrparts and Ricambi then it could be a long wait couldn't it. They can be really unpredictable on parts.

Here is a thought for you which I know is sub optimal for you but bear with me:

Why not have a look for a used item? If you consider the reality of this the reverse synchro really doesn't attract notable wear in the whole lifetime of the car for obvious reasons. Even when you use it you're using it from idle every time and there is hardly any load on any of it even when you're reversing.

I would bet that a reverse synchro from a <30k car would measure on the bench to a tolerance so close to a new one that your engineer would deem it operationally "the same".

Just a thought that's all and I hope you sort it.

Very best wishes Julian