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Countach Downdraft 1985 to 1988.5

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  1. Maser

    Maser Formula Junior

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    Sorry, I've been away, so only now catching up on this excellent thread..

    Firstly, I've been lucky enough to do big speeds in my Countach several times, always in Europe and always without the wing fitted. Due to lack of opportunities, I've never been over 140mph with the wing fitted but when I did, the car felt no different to when it was wingless.

    Almost as soon as I bought the Countach, I had a set of modern Toyos fitted on the front because they were the only ones I could get in a hurry, before driving out to the factory for an Octane story we did with three other Countach and Valentino. One the way back to the UK, I enjoyed one section of autostrada at between 140-170mph for at least twenty minutes and the car felt great at those speeds, with no weave whatsoever. Incidentally, in my experience, it's the revs you watch at these speeds, rather than the speedo.
    I then had a new set of P Zero Pirellis fitted all round and that's when some instability at speed first appeared. I tried to record a top speed run in Germany on the way down to the Lamborghini 50th Giro but the lack of stability and a sense of weaving at 100mph+ was all very unsettling and I bailed at just over 150mph.
    I recently tried a set of Yokohama tyres on my Countach and the instability disappeared instantly, so I'm sure it's just tyres that are the problem and not the recent addition of the wing (which wasn't fitted on the 50th Giro)

    Paul, regarding going for a top speed at the event you're attending, it's a very different thing going for a top speed on an empty German Autobahn to doing so on a runway. On the road you can build up to top speed at your own pace but on a runway you are forced to go for it and then brake hard, which is when you've got to be really careful.
    In my experience it's going from very high speed to full braking in older cars where you need to be most alert. My tip is to let the car come off the throttle, pause, then apply the brakes softly to dip the nose before going for full braking. You need to be sure there's no sticking caliper which could cause one wheel to brake harder than the other too. On modern cars, you can just leave it to the ABS to sort it out, for example, my Zonda was particularly impressive at high speed, utterly stable at 200mph thanks also to all that downforce. The Diablo feels really good at high speed too but nothing touches a Veyron for achieving crazy speeds without any stress on the driver. I've none 230mph+ in a Vitesse without the roof fitted and it felt surreally easy but that's another story..

    Finally, watch out if the runway you're running on is rarely used, as the surface grip can be very variable, especially at the sides, or the end of the track. Good luck!
     
  2. joe sackey

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    I think there has been some auto-correction :D
     
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    #3778 joe sackey, Aug 17, 2016
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    Thank you for the kind words as always.

    At almost midnight last night, the Raging Bull left the building...
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    #3779 joe sackey, Aug 17, 2016
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    GLA12997 is alive again!

    Finally, with fluids in, the Bordeaux Speciale Bull was fired up yesterday.

    With a snort and a deep bellow, the sound was emitted through the exhausts is something that I’m sure needs to be heard to be appreciated.

    I was not there for the momentous occasion, but perhaps this image below conveys the feeling.
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  5. joe sackey

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    #3780 joe sackey, Aug 17, 2016
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    So, today the windshield will go in and some finishing touches will be applied.

    All being well we will show the car at Quail on Friday.

    That said, I want everyone who sees GLA12997 to know, the car is not finished!!

    It will be shown simply to share it with the community, then head back down here to be final-adjusted, fettled, and fine-tuned.

    As you can see the suspension is still taut and a bit high, but by the time Valentino puts a few test miles on her, everything should settle in nicely.
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  6. Maser

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    Well done, nothing like having a deadline to work to!

    Just amazing to see it all come together in real time over the past few weeks, easy to forget just how many components go into creating a car. Can't wait to see photos of it on the pristine lawns at Quail..
     
  7. joe sackey

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    I am certain I will see things that will have to be finalized after the event, in fact I'm looking forward to the fettling & fine-tuning phase.

    I'll be happy when Valentino comes back with a big smile on his face.
     
  8. em42

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    Please do record a video of those first eruptions!
     
  9. bb4635

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    to be continued...
     
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    I need to find some old photo albums, I took pany pictures back then. i visited the production about 20 times, from the tail end of the 5000S production to that of the early Diablos. A very different production back then. This is a rare car, there is USA written in marker on the fender and it us clearly a DD!
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  16. joe sackey

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    Wow, history in the making! Thank you Bruno!
     
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    Fabulous period images!

    Of course, Cesare with cigarette in hand.
     
  18. joe sackey

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    Alex I will check and report.
     
  19. SupercarGuru

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    Words cannot express the feeling of having a car finished like yours! Collecting is a lifetime commitment, it's the process of learning, sharing and being responsible for art. You have done an unparalleled job with the former Mimran Countach and in the process set the bar for future modern Supercar restorations. Congrats!! Can't wait to see her on the green! A big hug and BIG high five from all of us!!
     
  20. joe sackey

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    Thank you John! See you Friday.
     
  21. 328Matt

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    I dont often post, but this thread is epic. I hope that the restoration is included in the Countach book Joe? Ive a little room next to the Miura bible and 288GTO....Be a great chapter following the history of this DD. Im looking forward to hearing it!
     
  22. Miura1960

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    Yes indeed - it´s a really perfect job, Joe!
     
  23. joe sackey

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    Thank you Matt.

    There will be a major piece on the car in Octane magazine over the winter, I'll post the details here as we get closer.
     
  24. joe sackey

    joe sackey Five Time F1 World Champ

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    Thank you for your kind words.

    In fact, in the quest for perfection (or as close as possible!) we have elected to bypass Quail this year so that the car can be properly finished down to the last detail. The guys have worked so hard on this car that I will not embarrass them or the car with a premature showing. They simply ran out of time, but I planned for this eventuality, and we'll just keep going.

    We hope to be finished with the car itself within the next week or so, then spend any number of weeks fettling & fine-tuning.

    Then when we are happy Valentino will drive it.

    Stay tuned for more progress reports next week.
     
  25. DaniT

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    Joe,

    Congratulations! Fantastic job! Extraordinary car!

    Great motivation and benchmark for my projects.

    Daniel
     

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