Is Hamilton one of the GOAT F1 drivers?

So you say natural talent can be seen in the qualy time? Where does that put Rosberg as he seems to give Hamilton a hard time in qualy over the last 2.5 years....Is he in the top 10 then if Hamilton is in the top 5? He must, otherwise your argumentation does not make sense...

 

I watched all the Schumacher days actually

And just because I'm young doesn't mean I don't have the capacity to learn. I've watched plenty of old raced at this point.


Just because you've 50 or 60 doesn't mean I have to agree with your views... What kind of point of view is that

 

No I didn't say that...

His natural pace is one point. Did I say it was all about natural pace? No.

Just go watch hamilton in karts there's plenty of races up online and you'll finally understand

 

Why are you again trying to speek for others? This is ONLY YOUR opinion. This has nothing to do with "common sense", it is just an opinion...geez

 

I'm 28.

 

I like Hamilton and I rate him very highly. I like to defend him when the anti Hamilton extremists wade in with over emotional and uncalled for Ham bashing. But this is crossing the line. There is no way you can claim that Ham is superior to Schu. None. Schumacher won races in rubbish cars, won championships is second rate cars, topped every record in the F1 book. Was amazing in the dry. Was exceptional in the wet - hence why he was called the rain-meister. Was not only exceptionally fast, but also great at strategy and car development. He also set the bar for dedication and effort pretty much revolutionising the sport with his total focus on every aspect of driver peeformance including fitness and diet. He changed the sport for ever and re-wrote the record books. By comparison, Hamilton has changed precisely nothing and set precisely no records. To say that he is superior in any way to Schu is laughable.

 

Okay. You can go on record and say you think Vettel can beat Hamilton in a torro Rosso when they both start next to ezxhother on the grid and Hamiltons in a McLaren.

If you really think that then there's nothing else I can say tbh

 

Really??? Karts??? Don´t you think that there are plenty of great kart videos of all the 22 guys in the grid? They were all better than the rest, otherwise they would be plumber today and not F1 drivers...Wasn´t it you who posted a feature on one of Hamiltons old rivals who actually beat him? Where is he now? So what does kart videos say about it?

 

Agreed

 

Lol exactly. Karting videos mean nothing. When you're at this level, everyone was jaw dropping coming up in go karts.

 

Mate... I'm 25, 26 in 6 weeks. We are basically the same age.

If you read my posts I said Schumacher is a better driver than Hamilton. In my opinion Hamilton has more natural talent (Schumacher still has plenty of natural talent). Schumacher has much better work ethic. Don't see what's so outrageous tbh. Never claimed Hamilton is better than Schumacher. I was a huge Schumacher fan and watched most of his career from 97 until his first retirement when I was a child

 

If you read the article you would see he didn't actually beat him per Se. Beat him in some stand alone races but not the karting title. He was also a few years older so would be expected to be going into some more senior categories. Certainly a top talent though who missed out on f1

 

That's great but I actually watched F1 before Hamilton came on the scene.

LH is a great driver but the flavor of the month. 3 years ago Vettel was being hailed as the next GOAT.

 

Hello...A last time: Vettel overtook Hamilton in the last race in 2008 in Brazil in a Toro Rosso. They were both on wets and there was no advantage for Vettel other than he drove better. This would be not possible according to you, but it is a fact that almost cost Hamilton the WDC. Why are you coming up with your theories about Vettels victory in Monza, what does that has to do with it???
Again: Hamilton is NOT better than Vettel, not to mention Schumacher, Senna, Prost, Clark, Fangio....

 

He did beat Elton in his toro Rosso, or have you missed that?

I'd put my money on Vettel if they were in the same cars..... Elton would be too busy whining to win

 

So did I. Just because I rate Hamilton higher than you do is no reason to assume anything

Vettel drove better that day. In Hamiltons defence the pressure of a final title race means one drives with more caution. He isn't the only great to choke. Schumacher stalling on the grid in the final race of 98 and having to start last, what about a certain Russian that alonso couldn't pass in his Ferrari in 2010?

In my view Hamilton is better than Vettel and fangio but not the others. I will never convince you otherwise and nor will you convince me. Just have to agree to disagree and leave it up to the drivers to change our minds through their performances

 

How many times do we hear Vettel come on the radio like a screaming donkey


Contrast Vettels reaction to Dani kvyat ruining his race vs Hamilton being shunted by rosy in Austria if you want an example

 

How about a little comparison, through 180 starts for each driver:

Schumacher

Wins: 64
Podiums: 113
Poles: 50
Championships: 5

Hamilton:

Wins: 49
Podiums: 96
Poles: 55
Championships: 3

Even despite the fact that Hamilton drove WDC-capable McLarens since day 1 before moving to the most dominant F1 cars in history the last 3 years he can't compare with MSC.

Schumacher on the other hand, during this time period, started in a Jordan, drove mediocre Benettons for a few years before winning 2 WDCs with them also built a team from the ground up when he moved to Ferrari. Still has much better stats.

 

LMAO

 

The Benetton wasn't Mediocre it just wasn't as good as the Williams. At 180 starts Schumacher would have had 5 consecutive cars with a Ferrari capable of winning the title. Let's not forget Hamiltons 4 seasons vs a WDC team mate compared to 5 races for Schumacher. Schumacher was well into his Ferrari days as a definitive number 1 in the team.

Sure Schumacher did slightly better and I would expect him to as he's a better driver but the situation is not as one sided as you suggest.

 

Better than Fangio? How that? Looking in your line of thinking Fangio won in 4 different teams, had strong team mates (Moss) and strong opponents...Furthermore he was robbed of his best years by the war and won at an high age...I do not know how it gets much better than that but I am sure you will explain us with superior "wikipedia-knowledge"....
It is getting better and better...Let´s see who you were talking down in the past:
Schumacher....check
Senna...Check
Stewart....Check
Clark....check
now Fangio...who´s next? Nuvolari, Caracciola? Bring it on, it is actually really entertaining.

And all that because Hamilton is sitting in a Mercedes, otherwise you most likely would have never joined FChat to enlighten us.

 

And on that bombshell, it's time to put this thread to rest.

See you later for more intelligent conversation than just comparing belly-buttons ...

LOL

 

The Benetton B192 & B193 were not great cars. They were decent. You might find yourself on the podium if things went great. Might win if some front runners break down. 3rd in the WCC both those years actually. The car was finally fast in 1994 but still not as fast as the Williams.

Also, I have news for you, but the only reason the 1997 and 1998 Ferraris were "WDC capable" was because of Michael Schumacher's brilliance. By this stage in his career, Hamilton has had WDC capable cars every year but 2. No question that Hamilton has driven better cars to this point in his career than Schumacher. Absolutely no question. The only thing you have a point on is WDC teammates.

 

A fat man in his 50s versus amateur competition. F1 is in an entirely different league now. A part time racer would have nothing on a conditioned athlete who has raced in carts all his life. Sure fangio had a lot of natural talent but f1 was so different back then that in my view it detracts from his success. I have him down in seventh

Senna Clark Schumacher Prost Hamilton alonso fangio lauda moss then I suppose Vettel can sneak in at 10th because he's better than Stewart tbh

 

Lol, you made my day...It will be hard to top that in future but keep trying...