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  1. Reddesire

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    Ok then for sure I will try this weekend to pull it off or at least see if I can get 0-5V with the fan switch on. If it is dead I shall send it to you. Happy to pay for a bit of your time as well !? If you can fix it you get a nice business going here !
     
  2. Reddesire

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    Thanks so much for the detailed input. It is definitely a plan B although as mentioned may have to find something with a little higher amps
     
  3. Reddesire

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    Thankls to the wonderful advise given above I have managed to test the voltage readouts on PIN 6 of my fan speed controller while still in the car and got the following results....

    Bar 1 - 1.70V
    Bar2 - 2.19V
    Bar3 - 2.71V
    Bar4 - 3.23V
    Bar5 - 3.73V
    Bar6 - 4.26V
    Bar7 - 4.79V
    Bar8 - 6.23V (fan working on this setting)

    I assume from this then that my ECU is fine so now the next challenge is whether or not anyone has found a bright person who has the electronics knowledge to fix this thing.

    m.stojanovic, you mentioned you would like to have a go. How comfortable are you with being able to repair it !?
     
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  4. Reddesire

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    ............Your not wrong it was a right royal bugger to get out but thanks to your pics (and another chat that had done the exact same thing) I was prepared and it really didn't take long at all once I knew what to expect. Got to eventually put it back though Hmmmm
     
  5. ///Mike

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    Glad you're making progress, Andrew, and particularly glad that your CC panel is apparently okay. From Miroljub's post on such subjects, I'd think you'd be very fortunate if he's willing to take on the repair.

    Looking forward to learning what the eventual solution turns out to be...
     
  6. m.stojanovic

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    #31 m.stojanovic, Sep 3, 2016
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    Great, seems that everything is fine with your AC ECU. When I was bench testing my Fan Speed Controller, I had the relay in the controller click at about 4.8 V meaning more than 5 V is not necessary (but will do no harm). Now you should double check (bench test) the Controller as shown on the drawing. Once connected as shown, wet your fingers very lightly and very gently hold the two wires shown in parallel between your fingers (do not allow the wires to touch each other). If the Controller is good, the bulb should light dim. If the bulb doesn't light, start slowly squeezing the two wires and see what happens. If the bulb still doesn't light, you should, at least, hear the internal relay click at certain squeeze. If only the relay clicks but no light, the Controller's transistor is bad. I would like to try to repair it (I have already done one repair on a similar BMW unit), I most probably already have a suitable replacement transistor. I will PM you my address shortly so you can send me the Controller if you decide to go for this option. Otherwise, you can try to find someone your side who may be able to fix it.
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  7. m.stojanovic

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    Sorry, when I said "If only the relay clicks but no light" I meant "If only the relay clicks but no light before that" (when the relay clicks, the bulb will light full).
     
  8. Reddesire

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    OK that sounds like a plan. Now that its out of the car I'll test it as described and report back on what I find. Thanks again for your most valued help :)
     
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    #34 Reddesire, Sep 5, 2016
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    Well I had rigged up the FOVREFSCDT and, in accordance to your excellent instructions, tested my Fan Speed Controller.

    Oh yes = Finger Operated Variable Resistance Electronic Fan Speed Controller Diagnostic Tool :)

    It worked a treat and I can now tell you the following....

    When I first hold the wires with very slightly moist fingers (spit was used so please allow for resistance variation compared to water !) nothing happens initially until I start to squeeze my fingers tighter.

    At a certain point of mild pressure the solenoid can be clearly heard to click and the 21W globe comes on brightly, not dim at all.

    Repeated several times (with varying spit levels!) and the light only came on when the solenoid clicked and then it came on to what appeared to be full strength. At no time did the wires touch between my fingers. See pics !

    So doctor what is the diagnosis?
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    Sounds like Miroljub's presumption was correct and the transistor is bad.
     
  11. Reddesire

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    That would be mine summary. Just waiting on him to confirm before I make arrangements to send it to him ! The test went well though and performed exactly as he predicted.
     
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    If anyone else has been thinking of doing the same thing I would be happy to send them my FOVREFSCDT once I've finished with it :)
     
  13. m.stojanovic

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    When the internal relay clicks, it actually bridges the transistor and connects the fan (test-bulb) directly to the ground providing full speed (brightness). Obviously, the transistor has blown as it does not provide gradual increase of the fan speed (bulb brightness) up to the relay click. Just send the controller over to me. The only thing that could prevent repair is if the micro-chip inside is also damaged and if it cannot be found anywhere. But, as I said before, it is most probably only the big transistor. I will post pictures here of the repair process.
     
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    Fantastic, OK then I shall let you know via PM when its heading your way. Thanks again !
     
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    I sent a PM but not sure if you received it as I cant see any history. In any case the controller is on its way :)
     
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    Hmmmmm I see you have done this sort of thin many times before. Very reassuring :0
     
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    What, no air chisel?!
     
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    Ahh yes I saw this earlier but didn't realise it was you. What an amazing job. I bet you wont be doing another one of these any time soon ! How long did it take and did you have to make several versions before you got the whole;e thing working correctly ?
     
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    Hello.
    Interesting thread.
    I also have one heater motor resistor module as a spare part for my F355.
    It also has 2 instead of 3 round pins.
    The vendor said it was taken out of a F355 that he ripped apart for spares.
    I hope that the missing pin is not used by F355s since I paid a lot for this part.
    Did anybody try the "2 pin version" in his HVAC box and what was the result?
    Thanks.
    Kind regards,
    Thomas
     
  23. m.stojanovic

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    The Fan Speed Controller on 355-s, according to the wiring diagram, should have 3 round pins, same as on the 348. There is only one part number, same for both models. One pin on your controller may be broken? Depending on the position of the 2 pins you have, it may work. Can you post a picture?
     
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    #50 m.stojanovic, Sep 11, 2016
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    My first version of the AC ECU had just the clock reinstated with a universal digital unit (Ebay); everything else inside was dead so I removed all electronics but left the "keyboard". The AC controls had been modified by the PO to the old fashioned manual thermostat control (which I kept) and a multi position switch with resistors for the fan speed. There were two external turn-knobs added under the dashboard for these. I reinstated the variable blower speed control by removing the resistors and replacing the multi position switch with a manual potentiometer connected to the original Speed Controller (which was disconnected but still there). After some time, I thought why not add other circuits to the (empty) AC ECU box like a digital potentiometer for the blower speed, circuits (relays) for the fresh air flap and air direction controls, etc. Took me months but I now have all controls using the buttons on the AC ECU, except the AC thermostat which is still a turn-knob under the dashboard. Not having to reinstate the heater controls made it easier (I don't need any heating in Malaysia). Instead of the left display (temperature setting), I put in a digital voltmeter combined with a cabin thermometer (I can toggle between the two using one of the buttons below it. One of the heater buttons is now a manual override switch for the radiator fans. All has been working very well. Each control is stand alone, no complicated "logic" circuits to attract bugs. See pic of my bench test; left display is the voltmeter, right is the clock - its two blinking dots cannot be seen as it blinked when I took the photo.
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